Waiting for the leaves to fall off

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the interference
is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that I can do about
this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the leaves to fall off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is
actually moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage.

Bob Miller


I agree.........

Bob Miller wrote:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the interference
is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that I can do about
this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the leaves to fall
off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is
actually moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller

So pathetic, so unnecessary? I thought you were finally have a lucid moment about your own postings.

Chip

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the interference
is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that I can do about
this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the leaves to fall off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is actually
moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller


Here's a REAL garbage modulation for you.

http://www.dtvforum.info/lofiversion/index.php/f10.html

David wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the interference
is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that I can do about
this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the leaves to fall off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is actually
moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller


Here's a REAL garbage modulation for you.

http://www.dtvforum.info/lofiversion/index.php/f10.html


I suggest that anyone interested in an OTA digital transition that is
working should read these. In Australia you have ten to twenty times the
sales of OTA receivers that you have in the US. Most of these post have
to do with receiver problems. But overall reading them will tell you the
very positive story of DTV OTA in Australia.

They are the result of a vibrant OTA market, Australia.

And Australia is probably the least robust COFDM modulation country in
the world. All others are doing far better.

Bob Miller

Bob Miller wrote:
David wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
. net...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the
interference is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that
I can do about this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the
leaves to fall off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is
actually moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller


Here's a REAL garbage modulation for you.

http://www.dtvforum.info/lofiversion/index.php/f10.html


I suggest that anyone interested in an OTA digital transition that is
working should read these. In Australia you have ten to twenty times the
sales of OTA receivers that you have in the US. Most of these post have
to do with receiver problems. But overall reading them will tell you the
very positive story of DTV OTA in Australia.

They are the result of a vibrant OTA market, Australia.

And Australia is probably the least robust COFDM modulation country in
the world. All others are doing far better.

Bob Miller


Do the Australians have access to cable and satellite like we do in the USA? If not, wouldn't that explain the differences you refer to?

Chip

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"Bob Miller" wrote in message
k.net...
David wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
. net...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the interference
is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that I can do about
this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the leaves to fall
off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is
actually moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller


Here's a REAL garbage modulation for you.

http://www.dtvforum.info/lofiversion/index.php/f10.html
I suggest that anyone interested in an OTA digital transition that is
working should read these.


Your pathetic, hopeless arguing is a symptom of your OCD illness.

wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:
David wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
. net...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742911

Indoor Antenna + Wind
I have one of the non-amplified directional indoor antennas. It works
great, except for when there is wind. I'm assuming that the
interference is from leaves on trees rustling. Is there anything that
I can do about this? Perhaps a different antenna? Simply wait for the
leaves to fall off?

I suppose the other possibility is that the transmitter tower is
actually moving...
Any suggestions?

-- jaydillyo

So pathetic. So unnecessary. Garbage modulation.

Bob Miller

Here's a REAL garbage modulation for you.

http://www.dtvforum.info/lofiversion/index.php/f10.html


I suggest that anyone interested in an OTA digital transition that is
working should read these. In Australia you have ten to twenty times the
sales of OTA receivers that you have in the US. Most of these post have
to do with receiver problems. But overall reading them will tell you the
very positive story of DTV OTA in Australia.

They are the result of a vibrant OTA market, Australia.

And Australia is probably the least robust COFDM modulation country in
the world. All others are doing far better.

Bob Miller


Do the Australians have access to cable and satellite like we do in the USA? If not, wouldn't that explain the differences you refer to?

Chip

Meaning that since they, Australia, has high access to cable and
satellite like we do would explain why they are slower on the uptake of
DTV OTA?

The UK has access to both. Germany has a very high percentage of cable
and satellite and they are taking up OTA slower than other countries so
their is evidence that this is true.

But IMO the main reason that Australia is slower than other COFDM
countries is that their offering is less enticing and cost more than
others. HDTV is very enticing but cost a lot more. Buying a new DTV
receiver for your current analog TV set to see the same content and no
more content cost money and doesn't deliver to much more.

The UK has 30 free OTA channels plus 12 or so digital radio channels.
This in 576i I believe. That is not a bad offering compared to cable and
satellite and they have more people already relying on OTA.

Australia is triplecasting in analog, SD and HD. SD at 576i, HD in
1080i, 720P and 576P I believe. But there is no more programming in
digital. There is only the quality difference to cause a purchase of a
digital receiver. And with the size of their current analog sets, the
cost of replacing them with HDTV capable sets or buying a digital STB is
not as compelling. The difference in quality is not as great as between
480i and 720P or 1080i as in the US and the content remains the same in
quantity, no multicasting.

What is driving OTA DTV the most in other countries is much more content
for very low one time receiver cost and the ease of reception with a
simple antenna.

But Australia is still selling many many more receivers than the US.
Receivers are being offered in a variety of 150 and companies that will
not touch the US STB market of 110 million homes are rabidly selling
against lots of competition in a nation of 4 million homes.

Try to explain that without talking of the modulation.

Bob Miller

Bob Miller wrote:

What is driving OTA DTV the most in other countries is much more content
for very low one time receiver cost and the ease of reception with a
simple antenna.


Bob Miller

You have mentioned this many times as if it is gospel, yet there are numerous reports that reception is not as easy
as you say it is. We here in the US know that our reception is MUCH better than you say it is. How come I wonder....

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wrote:
Bob Miller wrote:

What is driving OTA DTV the most in other countries is much more content
for very low one time receiver cost and the ease of reception with a
simple antenna.


Bob Miller

You have mentioned this many times as if it is gospel, yet there are numerous reports that reception is not as easy
as you say it is. We here in the US know that our reception is MUCH better than you say it is. How come I wonder....

Chip

You know your reception is much better than reception in general but you
have no idea what reception in general is like.

Most receivers are 4th gen or earlier. The difference between 4th, 3rd,
2nd gen receivers is not that much. The test done in 2000 was with 2nd
and 3rd gen receivers and the results found then speak for most
receivers being used in the US.

Those results were dismal and the conclusion of the test said that 8-VSB
reception was "dissapointing" which was an understatement. Manufacturers
promised that they would work feverishly to fix the problems and would
have solutions withing six months. That was December of 2000.

Almost six years later we have SOME 5th gen receivers which are a lot
better but not near as good as the technology shown in the 5th gen
prototype almost two years ago and for some reason LG refused to make.

But if you go back to the test and its results we had 70% decent
reception in general, 30% non reception in general.

But in the cities those numbers reversed. 30% decent reception.

If you are one of the lucky 70% or 30% and have good reception you know
you have good reception and could give a rats ass about anyone else.

Unfortunately if we want free OTA DTV to survive the coming battle to
destroy it we need a lot better than that. Your fellow citizens who know
nothing of this DTV transition and who actually depend on OTA for TV
today and who live in cities where 8-VSB works the worst will be the
instruments, the wrecking ball of the politicians who, as I write, are
planning on the destruction of OTA and the sale of the spectrum.

Their screams of outrage when poor quality cheap converter boxes, with
no roof top antenna or installation and a paltry $40 subsidy to buy the
junk, DON'T WORK will fuel multiple bills in Congress to kill free OTA
and give these folks instead a years subsidy to cable or satellite paid
for from the auctions of said spectrum.

The scenario goes like this.

In 2008 the FCC holds an auction of channels 52, 53, 56, 57 and 58
having already sold 54, 55 and 59.

The proceeds of this auction come in in the billions. Congress already
expects this and when it happens their greed glands swell to an immense
size.

In early 2009 the transition occurs and the screaming commences.
Congress critters with at least one bulb burning see an opportunity to
be both a hero for the poor and for more port money to spend with no new
tax to pass.

They propose solving the disaster that is the actual transition by
promising to fix it by selling the non-working spectrum for lots of cash
and using a little of it for a short term subsidy for cable and
satellite companies.

They make a deal with cable and satellite companies to back up their
subsidy with matching funds. That is double whatever number of months of
free cable or satellite that Congress agrees to pay for for the poor.

This works for cable and satellite since they already were in the midst
of a major push to take advantage of the DTV transition and its
reception problems to cut the number of OTA holdouts by half. Congress
has just decided to help pay for a whole new marketing program.

OTA dies and the spectrum is sold off.

Two problems, how to legally handle the must carry rights of
broadcasters. Answer, make it part of the cable and satellite deal to
kill OTA. Everyone will be happy. Broadcasters get must carry with no
need to light up transmitters for OTA for that last 6% of OTA holdouts
and demographically challenged viewers.

Cable and satellite love it because they kill off a source of
potentially lethal competition, OTA DTV, if done right with the right
modulation and codec.

Second problem: The public could get wind of the potential for OTA from
the Chinese Olympics where HD will be on display with the best
modulation in the world with an incredible variety of very inexpensive
receivers. Once the public and the media pick up on China they may then
be directed to Europe and other areas where free OTA is driving cable
and satellite mad with competition.

By the summer of 2008 the numbers of receivers sold in very many
countries will be incredible. High percentage of the homes in some
countries. Lots of OTA mobile and HD also.

The public may start asking questions about the need to sell off free
OTA spectrum.

Troublesome yes but this administration thinks it can get away with it
since the US public has been asleep at the wheel for a number of years.

Bob Miller