Noel Edmond's Deal or No Deal.....what's this country coming to?

What I would like to know is this: Noel Edmonds says every day something
like "the amounts were put in the boxes by the independant adjudicator who
is the only person who knows where the money is" - how come the the
independant adjudicator needs to know which boxes have which amounts?

Roger

"Roger Matthews" wrote:

What I would like to know is this: Noel Edmonds says every day
something like "the amounts were put in the boxes by the independant
adjudicator who is the only person who knows where the money is" - how
come the the independant adjudicator needs to know which boxes have
which amounts?

Because otherwise the system would be much more prone to cheating.

I assume that they have a pile of numbered boxes and the independent
adjudicator sticks the numbers inside the lids in a truly random order
(as decided by e.g. a lottery draw machine) and 'seals' the boxes. You have
to trust the adjudicator, but there is no visible change to the outside of
a box by which you can tell which number is in which box.

Say you started instead with a pile of boxes containing known amounts and
the adjudicator fixed a box number to the outside, then there is plenty
scope for marking the 250k box discretely.

Maybe you could start with the numbered boxes and someone totally blind
shuffles a pile of numbers and puts them in the boxes 'at random'. That
isn't truly random, so you would get sued or fleeced by contestants who
work out that the 250k tends more often to turn up in particular boxes.

One technique which would probably work without any need to trust anyone
would be to keep the amounts in arbitrarily numbered boxes and at each
stage select a contestant to open 'their' box, and only then use a lottery
machine to assign a box to the person. Less scope for cheating, but also
much less exciting for the audience as they don't get the (albeit wrong)
impression that the choice actually matters.

Also, you need a record of which number was supposed to be in each box to
prove that nobody substituted a different set of boxes when nobody was
looking.

John Porcella wrote:
"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
.. .
The chances of picking the "car door" first time are 1/3, odds on missing
are 2/3.

Now one loosing

What is this obsession with 'loosing'? Losing! Losing! Losing! Grr!

Your temper?

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Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:37:42 +0100, "John Porcella"
wrote:


I do not know, but I am curious as to your education? What is the purpose
of that apostrophe in "40's"? Do you put an apostrophe to denote plurals in
other words? No? Then why here?

Hmmm....ok, but I'm sure you'll agree it was marginally less
annoying than your redundant comma after "I do not know" in the above
sentence! And while I'm at it, don't be afraid of contractions when
writing. "I don't know" and "I'm curious" might be better choices in
your little diatribe. Also, it's generally considered a good idea to
include a verb in a sentence so (just as a little exercise) I'll leave
you to spot the grammatical faux pas in "Then why here?".

Given your superlative A-Level results, I'd suggest you stick to
statistics.... 'mate'!

anon wrote:
Noel Edmonds has two nominations for 'Deal or No Deal' in the upcoming
National TV Awards:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6056548.stm

Fair play to him personally; but WHY do people like this programme?

This was interesting...

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/...926143,00.html

BugBear

John Porcella wrote:
Not necessarily so! The Banker may occasionally make offers that are,
frankly too generous.

I was watching the other day and The Banker had clearly miscalculated and
made a trivially low offer which was bound to force the contestant to carry
on.

Endomol can't afford a laptop with spreadsheet software for him?

BugBear

Angus Rae wrote:

Think of an expanded version. There are 100 doors. You choose one; the
host then opens 98 other doors to reveal donkeys. There are two doors
left. You could toss a coin to choose between the two remaining doors,
but it's obvious in this case that - unless you were incredibly lucky
with your first guess - the car is behind the other door. The problem
above is exactly the same, except that because only one door is opened
the probabilities aren't quite as blatantly obvious.


Marvellous explanation!

BugBear

"Roger Matthews" wrote in message
...
What I would like to know is this: Noel Edmonds says every day something
like "the amounts were put in the boxes by the independant adjudicator who
is the only person who knows where the money is" - how come the the
independant adjudicator needs to know which boxes have which amounts?

Roger

If he put them in, then he is sure to know where the money is!

Also, if he knows that a certain amount of money is in a certain box, and
then during the game it is no longer there, then he can suspect that
something untoward has happened.


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MESSAGE ENDS.
John Porcella

"anon" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:37:42 +0100, "John Porcella"
wrote:


I do not know, but I am curious as to your education? What is the
purpose
of that apostrophe in "40's"? Do you put an apostrophe to denote plurals
in
other words? No? Then why here?

Hmmm....ok, but I'm sure you'll agree it was marginally less
annoying than your redundant comma after "I do not know" in the above
sentence!

It was not redundant!

And while I'm at it, don't be afraid of contractions when
writing.

Contractions are acceptable in speech, but not in formal writing.

"I don't know" and "I'm curious" might be better choices in
your little diatribe.

Only if I were an ignoramus!

Also, it's generally considered a good idea to
include a verb in a sentence so (just as a little exercise) I'll leave
you to spot the grammatical faux pas in "Then why here?".

The inclusion of a verbal clause is redundant.


Given your superlative A-Level results,

Thanks!

I'd suggest you stick to
statistics.... 'mate'!

Statistics being one of my 'A' levels.


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MESSAGE ENDS.
John Porcella

"John Porcella" wrote in message
...

"Roger Matthews" wrote in message
...
What I would like to know is this: Noel Edmonds says every day something
like "the amounts were put in the boxes by the independant adjudicator
who
is the only person who knows where the money is" - how come the the
independant adjudicator needs to know which boxes have which amounts?

Roger

If he put them in, then he is sure to know where the money is!


He could be blindfolded or something to ensure that he didn't know where the
money was.

Also, if he knows that a certain amount of money is in a certain box, and
then during the game it is no longer there, then he can suspect that
something untoward has happened.

Now that IS a good reason and I guess that's why they have him! Thanks.

Roger