Yes! Sky are now using Macrovison!!!

Tumbleweed wrote:
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:50:57 +0100, "ADAM FOULKES"
wrote:

There is no need to be so unpleasant in your response!
Oh I haven't even got started yet! :-)

It worked for me - it was a macrovison remover - it was able to record the
source - so there you have it. It seems logical to me that macrovision was
used. It I can record other programmes without isssue so I assumed this
was the
problem.
I don't think you appreciate the point I'm making here. What you
recorded (Desperate Housewives) does not have Macrovision on it in the
first place. The fact that you were able to record it using a
Macrovision remover cable doesn't mean that there was any Macrovision
to remove.

Example. I have purchased a new pair of elephant filter sunglasses.
Now when I go out, I can see no elephants at all. This proves that the
street is full of elephants. Good job I have these sunglasses so that
I don't see them.

Do you see where I'm going wrong there?


ummmm, you should have bought the lion filters, as there are no elephants in
the UK?


I think you are wearing the filters already mate there are dozens
outside now, I haven't seen any lions for years though.

Mike

Hello,
Yes I do see where you are going here... forgive me if I am thick but......

I tried to record DH to my Sony DVD recorder and had a message saying 'this
programme cannot be recorded' or similar.
I also had the same message when trying to archive the Nikki eviction
interview from the Big Brother series - forgive my taste in TV!
At first, I thought my DVD recorder had given up the ghost but then I
recorded some music videos from MTV and these recorded without problem.

I then read on this newsgroup about the possible use of macrovison on some
channels, so I then went to investigate this claim as I could not record 2
programmes on my sky+ 160.

I used the macrovison remover between the sky+ and my DVD and tah dar! it
worked - I was able to record the programme.
Now to me it seems logical that macrovison was used because I was able to
record the two programmes to DVD where as I wasn't able to with just a
regular scart lead....

Do you see where I am coming from now?

Thanks for taking the time to respond though :0)

A
"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:50:57 +0100, "ADAM FOULKES"
wrote:

There is no need to be so unpleasant in your response!

Oh I haven't even got started yet! :-)

It worked for me - it was a macrovison remover - it was able to record the
source - so there you have it. It seems logical to me that macrovision was
used. It I can record other programmes without isssue so I assumed this
was the
problem.

I don't think you appreciate the point I'm making here. What you
recorded (Desperate Housewives) does not have Macrovision on it in the
first place. The fact that you were able to record it using a
Macrovision remover cable doesn't mean that there was any Macrovision
to remove.

Example. I have purchased a new pair of elephant filter sunglasses.
Now when I go out, I can see no elephants at all. This proves that the
street is full of elephants. Good job I have these sunglasses so that
I don't see them.

Do you see where I'm going wrong there?

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ADAM FOULKES wrote:

I was able to record the two programmes to DVD where as I wasn't able
to with just a regular scart lead....

Some things you should be aware of:

Sky does NOT use Macrovision on standard broadcasts, only on some PPV.

Some makes of VCR and DVD recorder can, under certain circumstances,
misinterpret the signals coming from the Sky box and mistakenly invoke
their on-board Macrovision blocking routines.

A protection removal cable, or intermediary box, will clear up the
signal under all circumstances and let you record something that your
particular recorder wouldn't do previously. Most folks wouldn't need
such devices, which are likely to be technically illegal anyway.

Regards

Mark

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:29:20 +0100, "ADAM FOULKES"
wrote:

I tried to record DH to my Sony DVD recorder and had a message saying 'this
programme cannot be recorded' or similar.

I also had the same message when trying to archive the Nikki eviction
interview from the Big Brother series - forgive my taste in TV!

OK, fair enough - but none of these programmes are on a Sky channel,
hence (even if everyone were affected by this problem), it is not
proof that "Sky are using Macrovision".

Secondly, so far this problem has only been reported as affecting a
couple of channels, and Channel 4 is not one of them - which implies
that the problem must be somewhere else, possibly with your equipment.

Has this been happening for long?

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:54:32 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Personally I'm inclined to think that is just a temporary mistake.

Careful, talk like that will have Edster accusing you of working for
Sky...

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Mark A wrote:
ADAM FOULKES wrote:

I was able to record the two programmes to DVD where as I wasn't able
to with just a regular scart lead....

Some things you should be aware of:

Sky does NOT use Macrovision on standard broadcasts, only on some PPV.

Some makes of VCR and DVD recorder can, under certain circumstances,
misinterpret the signals coming from the Sky box and mistakenly invoke
their on-board Macrovision blocking routines.

A protection removal cable, or intermediary box, will clear up the
signal under all circumstances and let you record something that your
particular recorder wouldn't do previously. Most folks wouldn't need
such devices, which are likely to be technically illegal anyway.

Surely the device is legal, and using it to clear up the signal from a Sky
box would also be legal.

Use of the device to copy Macrovision protected broadcasts might be a
different matter of course.

Edster wrote:

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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:50:57 +0100, "ADAM FOULKES"
wrote:

There is no need to be so unpleasant in your response!

Oh I haven't even got started yet! :-)

It worked for me - it was a macrovison remover - it was able to record the
source - so there you have it. It seems logical to me that macrovision was
used. It I can record other programmes without isssue so I assumed this
was the
problem.

I don't think you appreciate the point I'm making here. What you
recorded (Desperate Housewives) does not have Macrovision on it in the
first place. The fact that you were able to record it using a
Macrovision remover cable doesn't mean that there was any Macrovision
to remove.

Example. I have purchased a new pair of elephant filter sunglasses.
Now when I go out, I can see no elephants at all. This proves that the
street is full of elephants. Good job I have these sunglasses so that
I don't see them.

Do you see where I'm going wrong there?


ummmm, you should have bought the lion filters, as there are no elephants in
the UK?

There's a few in Blackpool.

There may be the odd lion in Longleat :O)
--
Paul (I have tried in my way to be free)
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http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Mark A wrote:
ADAM FOULKES wrote:

I was able to record the two programmes to DVD where as I wasn't able
to with just a regular scart lead....

Some things you should be aware of:

Sky does NOT use Macrovision on standard broadcasts, only on some PPV.

Some makes of VCR and DVD recorder can, under certain circumstances,
misinterpret the signals coming from the Sky box and mistakenly invoke
their on-board Macrovision blocking routines.

A protection removal cable, or intermediary box, will clear up the
signal under all circumstances and let you record something that your
particular recorder wouldn't do previously. Most folks wouldn't need
such devices, which are likely to be technically illegal anyway.

I found my problem was (of all things) The digibox needed rebooting!

My Panny DMR 50 was doing the same thing on just some channels, A PPV was on
the Sky+ Hard drive, so wondered if it was picking the macrovision signal
from there,Watched PPV and deleted, tried recording again but no go,Rebooted
digibox and the DVD Recorder di it's job.

Worth a try?

T.W.

Zero Tolerance wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:29:20 +0100, "ADAM FOULKES"
wrote:

I tried to record DH to my Sony DVD recorder and had a message saying 'this
programme cannot be recorded' or similar.

I also had the same message when trying to archive the Nikki eviction
interview from the Big Brother series - forgive my taste in TV!

OK, fair enough - but none of these programmes are on a Sky channel,
hence (even if everyone were affected by this problem), it is not
proof that "Sky are using Macrovision".

Secondly, so far this problem has only been reported as affecting a
couple of channels, and Channel 4 is not one of them - which implies
that the problem must be somewhere else, possibly with your equipment.

Has this been happening for long?

Some DVD recorders, sometimes mistake a rogue line 23(ish) ident in the VBI
for Macrovision's DCPS indent signal. I've had it happen on C4 D-Sat, and my
Sony 710 refused to record. I purchased a VBI stripper, (thinly disguised as
a Macrovision filter), and never had a problem since. Also handy because my
ancient Sony WS TV also gets confused by gunk in the VBI, and goes randomly
into other aspect ratios, the stripper has stopped all that nonsense too.


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Mark
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"Jomtien" wrote in message
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ADAM FOULKES wrote:

I am disgusted that Sky or the providing channels have started to use
macrovision. Don't we all pay enough on the extortionate sky subs without
having to pay extra out to save recordings on to DVD we may wish to watch
at
a later date?

If so, then presumably they see this as a way to increase Sky+ take-up
over DVD/HDD recorders.

Wouldn't this be illegal under the monopolies rules? It would effectively
stop the sale of DVD/HDD recorders other than Sky+