What will happen..........

Mark Carver wrote:

Not just houses, what about hotels ? Although many hotel TVs I've
seen are 'made for purpose' with VHF (S-Band ?) tuners, and some sort
of return path to detect if you're watching a chargeable (read porno)
channel.
As another contributor has suggested, perhaps IP video via wi-fi and
Ethernet will start appearing ?

Hotels can probably afford MPEG encoders, DVB multiplexers, and DVB
modulators if they need a controlled TV distribution system, info tv
channels, etc. These kind of devices are already readily available:

http://www.tiesseci.com/English/dvbt_asi_broadcast_multiplexer.htm

http://wellav.en.alibaba.com/product...6/CATV_satelli
te_accessories/Agile_QAM_Modulator_Supporting_200Mbps_Inputa___Fr ee_P
ID_Selection.html

But these are at least not currently priced or designed for consumers.
I'd expect that consumers are more likely to get IP-based (Ethernet)
devices for their (typically less-sophisticated and less-demanding)
digital video redistribution needs.

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znark

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Doctor D wrote:
It's just occurred to me (it probably occurred to others ages ago) that
after analogue switch off and with the demise of analogue tuners on TV's
etc - how will we distribute Sky and the VCR etc around the house?

Not just houses, what about hotels ? Although many hotel TVs I've seen are
'made for purpose' with VHF (S-Band ?) tuners, and some sort of return
path
to detect if you're watching a chargeable (read porno) channel.

As another contributor has suggested, perhaps IP video via wi-fi and
Ethernet will start appearing ?


Saw these at Pace stand at IBC - there were other manufacturers showing
similar stuff,
but can't remember offhand who they were.

Home use
http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/p...ERIC-Multiroom

Hotel use
http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/p...C-Multidweller

If links don't work go to www.pacemicro.com go to products and look in the
media gateways section

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Paul Schofield

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:40:42 +0100, Doctor D wrote:

It's just occurred to me (it probably occurred to others ages ago) that
after analogue switch off and with the demise of analogue tuners on TV's
etc - how will we distribute Sky and the VCR etc around the house?

Like many many others I use the Sky RF2 socket to send Sky and analogue UHF
around the house. Has any thought been give to this for the future?

We'll all be okay initially, but then the analogue tuners will gradually
disappear and whilst the digital MUX's seem to pass through the VCR and Sky
box okay the digital tuners will not be able to receive the output of the
appliance itself. Will new appliances output a digital signal, or are we all
doomed?

You'll probably have to buy a digital version of the video sender device.
Exactly the same system but digital instead of analogue. Should be better
picture quality too! (If it's a short range 2.4Ghz freespace sender)

Mark Carver wrote:
Not just houses, what about hotels ? Although many hotel TVs I've seen are
'made for purpose' with VHF (S-Band ?) tuners, and some sort of return path
to detect if you're watching a chargeable (read porno) channel.

As another contributor has suggested, perhaps IP video via wi-fi and
Ethernet will start appearing ?

Stayed in a Travelodge recently, and it appeared that the TV in their
rooms was already delivered via IP. There was a box fixed to the
underside of the sideboard (?) which only had ethernet cabling
attached, and that fed the TV. Can't remember what went from the box
to the TV. The remote only updated the "box" and not the TV.

Purchasing movies or buying internet access via the TV (the remote had
a mouse on it ISTR) was done by entering credit card details onto a
screen on the TV. Movies were then available from the time that you
keyed the credit card details in, rather than at specific schedules.
You could also pause and rewind the hotel's movie selections.

I thought at the time that this was quite a nice system; it wasn't
perfect, and I did make it crash once, but generally it was OK. Has
anyone else seen it (or know the technical details of it). Just in
case it isn't in all Travelodge hotels, the one I used it at was at a
motorway services on the M1 just after the Ampthill turnoff.

larkim wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Not just houses, what about hotels ? Although many hotel TVs I've seen are
'made for purpose' with VHF (S-Band ?) tuners, and some sort of return path
to detect if you're watching a chargeable (read porno) channel.

As another contributor has suggested, perhaps IP video via wi-fi and
Ethernet will start appearing ?

Stayed in a Travelodge recently, and it appeared that the TV in their
rooms was already delivered via IP. There was a box fixed to the
underside of the sideboard (?) which only had ethernet cabling
attached, and that fed the TV. Can't remember what went from the box
to the TV. The remote only updated the "box" and not the TV.

Purchasing movies or buying internet access via the TV (the remote had
a mouse on it ISTR) was done by entering credit card details onto a
screen on the TV. Movies were then available from the time that you
keyed the credit card details in, rather than at specific schedules.
You could also pause and rewind the hotel's movie selections.

I thought at the time that this was quite a nice system; it wasn't
perfect, and I did make it crash once, but generally it was OK. Has
anyone else seen it (or know the technical details of it). Just in
case it isn't in all Travelodge hotels, the one I used it at was at a
motorway services on the M1 just after the Ampthill turnoff.

Saw the same system at a Travelodge at Fourwentways near Cambridge.
Don't know how it works though. The TV wouldn't come on so I suspect
that I was intended to pay for it first by giving them a credit card
number. There was also a notice explaining why they no longer provide
bathroom consumables or other usual facilities. Since the overnight
price has also gone up considerably I don't plan on using their hotels
in future.

Andereida

Andereida wrote:

Saw the same system at a Travelodge at Fourwentways near Cambridge.

Isn't that equidistant between London and Norwich ? ;-)

Don't know how it works though. The TV wouldn't come on so I suspect
that I was intended to pay for it first by giving them a credit card
number. There was also a notice explaining why they no longer provide
bathroom consumables or other usual facilities. Since the overnight
price has also gone up considerably I don't plan on using their hotels
in future.

I've off to one later this week, if it's kitted out with this new
fangled system it might keep me away from the adjacent pub for ninety
seconds longer than usual !

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Andereida wrote:

Saw the same system at a Travelodge at Fourwentways near Cambridge.

Isn't that equidistant between London and Norwich ? ;-)

Don't know how it works though. The TV wouldn't come on so I suspect
that I was intended to pay for it first by giving them a credit card
number. There was also a notice explaining why they no longer provide
bathroom consumables or other usual facilities. Since the overnight
price has also gone up considerably I don't plan on using their hotels
in future.

I've off to one later this week, if it's kitted out with this new
fangled system it might keep me away from the adjacent pub for ninety
seconds longer than usual !

You could spend that ninety seconds in the Little Chef next door laughing your
head off after asking them how much they charge for two slices of toast and a
pot of jam (£2.09 last time I checked the website).
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Dom Robinson wrote:


You could spend that ninety seconds in the Little Chef next door laughing your
head off after asking them how much they charge for two slices of toast and a
pot of jam (£2.09 last time I checked the website).


That's why I normally go and find the nearest SainsTescoMorriAsda and have
one of their 'early starter' brekkies, that's large enough to close an
artery for about the same cost.

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The fact that the same RF modulator can _also_ be used for distributing
the signal around the house is surely a nice bonus, but I have a nagging
suspicion that the manufacturers never actually intended them to be used
that way. (One thing that hints in this direction is that this use is not
usually described in the user manuals. Another hint might be that the
signal strength of the modulator output is typically a bit on the weak
side, giving a grainy picture in a house-wide distribution. If it was
designed for that sort of thing, surely they could have made it a bit more
powerful?)


Thanks for the comprehensive response.

The Sky RF2 socket is certainly designed for distribution, and IME the
modulator output is adequate to give grain free pictures (even on CH67) over
a long return cable run (PF100 cable.) The RF2 socket is also able to line
power a distribution amplifier, although I concede that it was probably
designed to line power a Sky remote eye.

In my installation the VCR is before the Sky box so that its' output is also
distributed on RF1 and RF2, although in the lounge we view it via SCART.

Doctor D wrote:

The Sky RF2 socket is certainly designed for distribution, and IME the
modulator output is adequate to give grain free pictures (even on CH67) over
a long return cable run (PF100 cable.) The RF2 socket is also able to line
power a distribution amplifier, although I concede that it was probably
designed to line power a Sky remote eye.

No, it was specified with a small distribution system in mind. The
current rating at 9 V is 75 mA, which is enough to power a 4-way
'return-path' amp and up to four IR 'eyes'. Beware of some old Sky
boxes though which only have a 50 mA rating.

In my installation the VCR is before the Sky box so that its' output is also
distributed on RF1 and RF2, although in the lounge we view it via SCART.

That is the Sky preferred configuration.

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Andy