So, to see the best possible HDTV I need to look for....

From responses to a previous thread, it looks to me like there's different
"best" HDTV. The best you're currently going to see in:

A) a home/consumer environment

B) the absolute nth degree, best the technology is capable of in a
professional production environment, nothing better exists on this planet,
period.

About correct? Totally off the mark?

So, if I want to actually see either/both of the above scenarios, what
should I look for?

For scenario A) I should look for a vendor that has the following setup:
____fill in the blank____

For scenario B) where would I even look/ask?

Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv. Is it that there just isn't a Best Buy/Circuit
City/WalMart/Radio Shack etc. anywhere who knows or gives a rat's ass about
how to set one up correctly or do they just not handle DVD's very well?

I was in a Best Buy today and looking at theirs, they had them all over the
place, including one showcase room with wood appointments, leather recliner
in the "place of honor", etc. with maybe 3 or 4 sets on display. Not sure
what the source to any of them was, but I wouldn't be able to watch any of
them for more than 3 minutes. I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."

HiC wrote:
From responses to a previous thread, it looks to me like there's different
"best" HDTV. The best you're currently going to see in:

A) a home/consumer environment

B) the absolute nth degree, best the technology is capable of in a
professional production environment, nothing better exists on this planet,
period.

About correct? Totally off the mark?

So, if I want to actually see either/both of the above scenarios, what
should I look for?

For scenario A) I should look for a vendor that has the following setup:
____fill in the blank____

For scenario B) where would I even look/ask?

Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv. Is it that there just isn't a Best Buy/Circuit
City/WalMart/Radio Shack etc. anywhere who knows or gives a rat's ass about
how to set one up correctly or do they just not handle DVD's very well?

I was in a Best Buy today and looking at theirs, they had them all over the
place, including one showcase room with wood appointments, leather recliner
in the "place of honor", etc. with maybe 3 or 4 sets on display. Not sure
what the source to any of them was, but I wouldn't be able to watch any of
them for more than 3 minutes. I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."

The best HDTV is the JVC SX-21 projector. I don't know if you have any
way to see one, but it can project up to about a 15 or 20 foot image
with no sweat, and it is sharper and brighter than anything else out
there, even those costing $30,000. It has no artifacts, including
pixelization, and it has the best video processing circuitry available.
A progressive scan DVD player with a good disc looks almost high def,
and high def looks open-mouthed, drop-dead stunning.

Believe it or go on with your miserable little life.

Gary Eickmeier

"HiC" wrote

... I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but
mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any
panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv.

My D-ILA looks great. But suit yourself.

"HiC" wrote in message
nk.net...
From responses to a previous thread, it looks to me like there's different
"best" HDTV. The best you're currently going to see in:

A) a home/consumer environment

B) the absolute nth degree, best the technology is capable of in a
professional production environment, nothing better exists on this planet,
period.
About correct? Totally off the mark?

================================================== =======
I'd say the best source for info is to wade through the
perfectionists/weirdos on the AVS front projectors $3,500 forum. ;-)
================================================== =====

So, if I want to actually see either/both of the above scenarios, what
should I look for?
For scenario A) I should look for a vendor that has the following setup:
____fill in the blank____
For scenario B) where would I even look/ask?
Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but
mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any
panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv.


Is it that there just isn't a Best Buy/Circuit
City/WalMart/Radio Shack etc. anywhere who knows or gives a rat's ass
about
how to set one up correctly

================================================== =================
Absolutely correct. NEVER judge the quality of any display by the typical
in-store set-ups.
================================================== ==============

or do they just not handle DVD's very well?

==================================================
They can look okay if done properly, using one of the new upscaling players
or a PC.
================================================== ==

I was in a Best Buy today and looking at theirs, they had them all over
the
place, including one showcase room with wood appointments, leather
recliner
in the "place of honor", etc. with maybe 3 or 4 sets on display. Not sure
what the source to any of them was, but I wouldn't be able to watch any of
them for more than 3 minutes. I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."



D-ILAs are fantastic, to be sure, even old ones. We've been using our JVC
G-11 since '98. The Sony VPL-VW100 ('Ruby') HD front projectors can also be
mind-blowing, depending on Sony's quality control whim on the day of
production. There's also a newer, less-expensive (~$5k) model just
introduced.

I'm now looking at this uber-awesome Digital Projection 3-chip DLP model,
fitting into your nth-degree category:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/01/d...ector-for-the/


I use a PC to play normal DVDs with a MYhd card to output to the projector
and to upscale the DVDs. They look fine.

The new large 1080p LCD displays from Sony, Sharp, JVC etc are very good,
too.

Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any panning
or movement.

I have a progressive scan DVD Recorder to a 40" LCD TV and the DVDs look
great. Maybe they were using composite connection instead of component?

HiC wrote:
From responses to a previous thread, it looks to me like there's different
"best" HDTV. The best you're currently going to see in:

A) a home/consumer environment

B) the absolute nth degree, best the technology is capable of in a
professional production environment, nothing better exists on this planet,
period.

About correct? Totally off the mark?

So, if I want to actually see either/both of the above scenarios, what
should I look for?

For scenario A) I should look for a vendor that has the following setup:
____fill in the blank____

For scenario B) where would I even look/ask?

Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv. Is it that there just isn't a Best Buy/Circuit
City/WalMart/Radio Shack etc. anywhere who knows or gives a rat's ass about
how to set one up correctly or do they just not handle DVD's very well?

I was in a Best Buy today and looking at theirs, they had them all over the
place, including one showcase room with wood appointments, leather recliner
in the "place of honor", etc. with maybe 3 or 4 sets on display. Not sure
what the source to any of them was, but I wouldn't be able to watch any of
them for more than 3 minutes. I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."



Then you must have some of the most discriminating eyes in the world.
DVD's are not HD, but those I watch on my HDTV are really clear, bright,
without artifacts. I'm sure you'd come over and pronounce it garbage,
but somehow I get a feeling that you also pronounce the what you see out
your front door as being of poor resolution as well.

"HiC" wrote in message
nk.net...
From responses to a previous thread, it looks to me like there's different
"best" HDTV. The best you're currently going to see in:

A) a home/consumer environment

B) the absolute nth degree, best the technology is capable of in a
professional production environment, nothing better exists on this planet,
period.

About correct? Totally off the mark?

So, if I want to actually see either/both of the above scenarios, what
should I look for?

For scenario A) I should look for a vendor that has the following setup:
____fill in the blank____

For scenario B) where would I even look/ask?

Another thing I've noticed, I have yet to see an HDTV of any size or
configuration - plasma, rear projection, etc. that does anything but
mangle
a current DVD. They always looks like crap. Jagged edges, weird
pixelation/noise in the picture, again particularly when there's any
panning
or movement. From what I've seen so far, they look far better on any POS
pawnshop analog tv.


My setup handles HD quite well:

I am converting much of my video to AVC/H264 which the
HD Buffalo LinkTheater (BLT) can't play, this is the main reason
for my deciding to build a HTPC. Another is that my WXGA
High Definition Widescreen projector (An Epson TW-100, I
got on sale for $2000 a couple of years ago) will accept a
DVI connection. (Goes for about $1300 refurbished now)

I still use the BLT as my second DVD player with component
connection (RadioShack had a component switch on sale) to
the projector. I find that sometimes it will play a disk that my
RCA DVD Recorder (a DRC8000N) has trouble with. The
RCA can sometimes play disks that give the BLT a problem,
so between them I can get most any disk, that's not totally
damaged, to play. Both can upscale to progressive HD.

All that said, I do much prefer the HTPC I built. It cost
more than a BLT and takes up more room, but has a
number of advantages. (And I don't use many of the
capabilities that a HTPC can provide. I still use a
DirecTiVo unit to collect up my TV fair, for instance, even
though a HTPC can be setup to serve the same function.)

It works on the Gigabit LAN I made using a cheap SMC
8508T "EZ Switch" (Setting up the LAN was just a matter
of plugging in Ethernet 5e cable between my computers,
(including the HTPC, and the TeraStation) and the switch
then between the switch and my router's uplink.

Luck;
Ken

"Ray S" wrote in message
.. .
HiC wrote:

I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie
Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."

Then you must have some of the most discriminating eyes in the world.
DVD's are not HD, but those I watch on my HDTV are really clear, bright,
without artifacts. I'm sure you'd come over and pronounce it garbage,
but somehow I get a feeling that you also pronounce the what you see out
your front door as being of poor resolution as well.

You're making a number of very large & erroneous assumptions without any
basis. Wish I had some way to show you what I was looking at. Yes, I believe
I have reasonably discriminating eyes, but I assure you I'm not being
persnickity for the sake of being persnickity here. I know you can't squeeze
orange juice out of a turnip, but I would expect a DVD to look at least as
good as it does on an analog tv and not have all this crap in the image.
Nothing esoteric about it, they looked terrible.

It's entirely possible that your set is set up correctly for playing a DVD
and I've just never seen one that was. I can only report what I've seen.

"Ray S" wrote in message
.. .

I get a feeling that you also pronounce the what you see out
your front door as being of poor resolution as well.

Actually, I'd prefer to see the image look like real life, and not try to
improve on it.

"HiC" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Ray S" wrote in message
.. .
HiC wrote:

I can't fathom that anyone actually buys one
of these things on the basis of such a demonstration, I mean Stevie
Wonder
would say "man, that looks like ****..."

Then you must have some of the most discriminating eyes in the world.
DVD's are not HD, but those I watch on my HDTV are really clear, bright,
without artifacts. I'm sure you'd come over and pronounce it garbage,
but somehow I get a feeling that you also pronounce the what you see out
your front door as being of poor resolution as well.

You're making a number of very large & erroneous assumptions without any
basis. Wish I had some way to show you what I was looking at. Yes, I
believe
I have reasonably discriminating eyes, but I assure you I'm not being
persnickity for the sake of being persnickity here. I know you can't
squeeze
orange juice out of a turnip, but I would expect a DVD to look at least as
good as it does on an analog tv and not have all this crap in the image.
Nothing esoteric about it, they looked terrible.

It's entirely possible that your set is set up correctly for playing a DVD
and I've just never seen one that was. I can only report what I've seen.





YOU have a problem. I have such an installation and it is incredible.

Again, the problem is YOU.