What's up with ABC?

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Leonard Caillouet wrote:
Many
serious sports bars are showing HD. Sure, the local pub with a 27" tv inthe
corner is not, but even those guys are looking into upgrades.

Absolutely.

Around here, *every* sports bar and pub has an HD TV, and has for a few
years now. The last refuge of the 27" TV in the corner is the cheap
Chinese restaurant where you go for lunch in the middle of the workday.

Even funnier is his claim that there's no HD porn. Perhaps his parents
have the porn channels blocked on the cable (or satellite) service at
home.

He must be a kid. The use of teenie-bopper slang (e.g., "LOL"), improper
usage of punctuation, and grammar forms are a dead giveaway. Another
possibility is that he's a Psycho Bob sock-puppet. After all, Psycho Bob
has used sock-puppets in the past.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

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OTA, after 2009, you are going to be getting SD, or maybe wide screen
SD,,,,plus 4 sub channels. There is no mandate, nor any money to be
made, for OTA broadcasters to send out a single HD channel, when they
can send out 5 SD channels. That was the "carrot" for them to convert
to digital modulation.

From cable, and Sat, there will be plenty of HD content to purchase -
HD can easily be down converted to an SD digital signal for OTA.


"G-squared" wrote:


AlanF wrote:
snip
But the ABC prime time Saturday game is in HD and there was at
least 1
other football game in HD on ABC this afternoon. As I understand it,
the
major issue with doing all the regional college games in HD is not
just
cameras & production trucks, but the number of HD games that can be
uplinked to ABC and then broadcast to the stations around the US.

We are not yet at the point where all major weekend sporting
events
are in HD. There is a lot more HD than last year and will be more
complete HD coverage next year. For example, CBS recently announced
that
ALL of their men's golf events in 2007 will be 100% HD (no mobile SD

cameras). Getting there in steps.

Alan F

So Bob and Elmo and Thumper predict that the networks (and the
independant production facilities), after buying the new HD gear, will
go back to delivering programming in SD.

GG


Of course, bob's big point here is that we [OTA-HDTV enthusiasts] are
throwing our money away buying HDTVs and HD-OTA receivers. But we all know
that he knew damned well that we knew that. :s

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote:


wrote in message
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Mark Crispin wrote:

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, wrote:
Nobody gives a rats about picture quality

Provable nonsense, as every sports bar in the nation has a big screen TV
showing the game in HD. Just about every football on TV today is in HD;
and no sane person can seriously claim that it's going back to SD.

The pornmeisters have also discovered HD.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.


Your hard data to support this is,,??

No sports bar I have been in is showing HD sports,,,just big fuzzy
analog cable feeds,,,generally projected on a wall. People go to bars
to get drunk and cheer, not to worry about seeing nose hairs. And
please list the 'every" free HD football games.. 1 a week,,1 a
month,,???? Guess those "HD" Sports bars must be pretty empty most of
the time. Perhaps you need my "how to calculate percentages lesson".

and again,the ones on cable/sat are all PAY (Hd or not),,,get that
DOOD,,PAY,,not free,,PAYnot OTA free,,PAY,,as in you PAY
extra to see them.

What is it you have against SD picture quality - except that you have
never seen it,,?

Name one HD porn,,, Why would anyone want to see all the wrinkles and
zits on a porn star,,,,/...LOL

and once again, you present only opinion, and then when disagreed
with, or presented with the obvious you start calling people names,,,,

Me thinks you are the one needing the 'sanity" check,,,,"Dood"...LOL

I have been trying to make sense of your perspective for a while now, but
you obviously have little exposure to a large segment of the market. Many
serious sports bars are showing HD. Sure, the local pub with a 27" tv inthe
corner is not, but even those guys are looking into upgrades. We sell
virtually nothing that is not HD capable and virtually none of our
installations are not using HD now. Your belief that it will go away is
hard to comprehend. Virtually no new broadcast or production equipment is
being sold that doesn't do HD. It will take some time, but even the smal
production houses are getting pressure to upgrade their work to HD from
clients. There has been production in HD going on for almost 20 years and
it is now really taking off. There might be a majority of it broadcast in
SD or compressed forms but there will always be a market for the higher
quality product.

Leonard


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Lenord

Please try to follow the topic,,,

I never said the HD is going away, Free HD OTA is,,, this isnt a
discuss about HD going away. There is going to be all the HD you want
as long as you pay extra to see it. HBO and Showtime do not give away
thier programing, if you want them in HD you pay extra. Same will be
for the networks, and even program produced locally in HD. You will
see them free in SD OTA, and in HD as part of some premium package on
your Sat or cable.

Sports bars with the kind of installations your talking about are
PAYING for the programing. If they are not they are commiting a crime.

I do not understand why the topic keeps wander off to "HD is going
away" - HD is a valuable commodity, cost a bundle to produce, and is
not going to be given away free to 3 percent of the market after 2009.

Dave Clary wrote:

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:26:10 GMT, wrote:

and note,,I am now even "bottom posting" even though doing so makes
the reader have to scroll 3 pages down,,,

Only because you failed to edit all the unneeded text above
it--another Usenet custom that has gone by the wayside.

Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com



I was leaving the text, so as to try to keep the responders "on
topic". But that didnt work, so I will delete it (as up said, its
moslty unneeded,,lol).

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, wrote:
I never said the HD is going away, Free HD OTA is

I have $1000 that says that you are wrong.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:50:49 GMT, wrote:

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote:


wrote in message
...
Mark Crispin wrote:

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, wrote:
Nobody gives a rats about picture quality

Provable nonsense, as every sports bar in the nation has a big screen TV
showing the game in HD. Just about every football on TV today is in HD;
and no sane person can seriously claim that it's going back to SD.

The pornmeisters have also discovered HD.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.


Your hard data to support this is,,??

No sports bar I have been in is showing HD sports,,,just big fuzzy
analog cable feeds,,,generally projected on a wall. People go to bars
to get drunk and cheer, not to worry about seeing nose hairs. And
please list the 'every" free HD football games.. 1 a week,,1 a
month,,???? Guess those "HD" Sports bars must be pretty empty most of
the time. Perhaps you need my "how to calculate percentages lesson".

and again,the ones on cable/sat are all PAY (Hd or not),,,get that
DOOD,,PAY,,not free,,PAYnot OTA free,,PAY,,as in you PAY
extra to see them.

What is it you have against SD picture quality - except that you have
never seen it,,?

Name one HD porn,,, Why would anyone want to see all the wrinkles and
zits on a porn star,,,,/...LOL

and once again, you present only opinion, and then when disagreed
with, or presented with the obvious you start calling people names,,,,

Me thinks you are the one needing the 'sanity" check,,,,"Dood"...LOL

I have been trying to make sense of your perspective for a while now, but
you obviously have little exposure to a large segment of the market. Many
serious sports bars are showing HD. Sure, the local pub with a 27" tv inthe
corner is not, but even those guys are looking into upgrades. We sell
virtually nothing that is not HD capable and virtually none of our
installations are not using HD now. Your belief that it will go away is
hard to comprehend. Virtually no new broadcast or production equipment is
being sold that doesn't do HD. It will take some time, but even the smal
production houses are getting pressure to upgrade their work to HD from
clients. There has been production in HD going on for almost 20 years and
it is now really taking off. There might be a majority of it broadcast in
SD or compressed forms but there will always be a market for the higher
quality product.

Leonard


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Lenord

Please try to follow the topic,,,

I never said the HD is going away, Free HD OTA is,,, this isnt a
discuss about HD going away. There is going to be all the HD you want
as long as you pay extra to see it. HBO and Showtime do not give away
thier programing, if you want them in HD you pay extra. Same will be
for the networks, and even program produced locally in HD. You will
see them free in SD OTA, and in HD as part of some premium package on
your Sat or cable.

Sports bars with the kind of installations your talking about are
PAYING for the programing. If they are not they are commiting a crime.

I do not understand why the topic keeps wander off to "HD is going
away" - HD is a valuable commodity, cost a bundle to produce, and is
not going to be given away free to 3 percent of the market after 2009.


You won't have to pay extra to see it. It will be paid for just like
it is now. By the advertisers.

Think conversion from Black and white to Color.
Thumper

wrote:

snip

Lenord

Please try to follow the topic,,,

I never said the HD is going away, Free HD OTA is,,, this isnt a
discuss about HD going away. There is going to be all the HD you
want
as long as you pay extra to see it. HBO and Showtime do not give
away
thier programing, if you want them in HD you pay extra. Same will be
for the networks, and even program produced locally in HD. You will
see them free in SD OTA, and in HD as part of some premium package
on
your Sat or cable.

Sports bars with the kind of installations your talking about are
PAYING for the programing. If they are not they are commiting a
crime.

I do not understand why the topic keeps wander off to "HD is going
away" - HD is a valuable commodity, cost a bundle to produce, and is
not going to be given away free to 3 percent of the market after
2009.

Nope, I disagree. The broadcasters ONLY have the HD to entice you.
You're acting like the LPs will still be manufactured and the CDs will
be the premium. Not gonna happen. The broadcasters do not give away
their programming. Showtime and HBO ONLY make their money by
subscription. Network TV is funded by advertising. The cable fee is
primarily to maintain the cable system.

GG

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...
wrote:
and notice that Wes never responded back about my "correction" of his
10 fold error in calculating , nor has Dave responded back rationally
to anything other than my one Agent spelling checker replacement
error.



I posted a link to the expensive CBS HDTV/investment/ build-out and bob
replied "....what does it have to do with what I said?".

This is the reason why miller is regarded as a fruit-cake even on overseas
forums.


Was it an Agent error? I thought your "mistake" was the better word
myself. Covenated. A promised "IGNORE list", a very special place of
honor. You promised this honor to someone in the past and are now
delivering.

Coveted has no meaning in the context. Why would you covet your own Ignore
list? You covet something that belongs to others. Would someone else covet
your Ignore list? No, you may have meant to imply facetiously that they
want to be a member or join your Ignore list, you might have used for
example, 'oversubscribed IGNORE list', but they don't covet it. Or if they
do, it would not make sense, in the context of your email, for them to
covet it.

Coveted is nonsense while covenanted is perfect.

Bob Miller

BTW,,Its "Dude" not Dood",,,ROTFL,,,,,,,!!!!!!!

HUH-HUH-HUH . . .


Why post if you are not willing to be involved in a productive give
and take discussion,,?? What's up with these Wes and Davids - who the
second the can not come up with a rational rebuttal, resort to
infantile name calling,, Or did I just answer my own question
there,,,LOL

HUH-HUH-HUH . . . .

and no,,I am not Bob, and actually i did research Bobs posts, and have
no opinion about his technical arguments, but have to say regardless
that the"'cow is out of the barn" so to speak, and we have to live
with what we got.

his economic arguments however are supported by hard facts,and right
on the mark.


Actually neither word is appropriate.
"Covenanted" is not a word at all, according to google and Merriam-Webster
dictionary. A "covenant" is a signed agreement, treaty, pledge or contract.
Then you typed "covenated" above.

"Coven" = a group of witches.

Does "covenated" mean when a person is forced to join a group of witches?

I made an (extremely clever) referral to "COFDM Coven" he

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...00296be6334389


I only *asked* if you meant "coveted".

Now, bob, "coveted" means envious of other peoples positions or possessions.
;-)

[Hint: Think of your personal feelings toward prosperous and contented OTA
HDTV viewers on AVS forum.]

WTF does he/bob/you waste your/his/fruitcake's time here, when you/he/moron
should be developing a decent website?

David wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...
wrote:
and notice that Wes never responded back about my "correction" of his
10 fold error in calculating , nor has Dave responded back rationally
to anything other than my one Agent spelling checker replacement
error.



I posted a link to the expensive CBS HDTV/investment/ build-out and bob
replied "....what does it have to do with what I said?".

This is the reason why miller is regarded as a fruit-cake even on overseas
forums.


Was it an Agent error? I thought your "mistake" was the better word
myself. Covenated. A promised "IGNORE list", a very special place of
honor. You promised this honor to someone in the past and are now
delivering.

Coveted has no meaning in the context. Why would you covet your own Ignore
list? You covet something that belongs to others. Would someone else covet
your Ignore list? No, you may have meant to imply facetiously that they
want to be a member or join your Ignore list, you might have used for
example, 'oversubscribed IGNORE list', but they don't covet it. Or if they
do, it would not make sense, in the context of your email, for them to
covet it.

Coveted is nonsense while covenanted is perfect.

Bob Miller

BTW,,Its "Dude" not Dood",,,ROTFL,,,,,,,!!!!!!!

HUH-HUH-HUH . . .


Why post if you are not willing to be involved in a productive give
and take discussion,,?? What's up with these Wes and Davids - who the
second the can not come up with a rational rebuttal, resort to
infantile name calling,, Or did I just answer my own question
there,,,LOL

HUH-HUH-HUH . . . .

and no,,I am not Bob, and actually i did research Bobs posts, and have
no opinion about his technical arguments, but have to say regardless
that the"'cow is out of the barn" so to speak, and we have to live
with what we got.

his economic arguments however are supported by hard facts,and right
on the mark.


Actually neither word is appropriate.
"Covenanted" is not a word at all, according to google and Merriam-Webster
dictionary. A "covenant" is a signed agreement, treaty, pledge or contract.
Then you typed "covenated" above.


My God I misspelled the word. I am ruined, woo is me.

Words are as words are used. Dictionary's only validate what usage
dictates. In this case the American Heritage Dictionary says that...

v. cov·e·nant·ed, cov·e·nant·ing, cov·e·nants
v. tr.

To promise by or as if by a covenant.


v. intr.

To enter into a covenant.

Me again...
A verb form of covenant, covenanted, used as a past participle can be
used as an adjective, as our friend, not me, used it, "covenanted Ignore
list".

BTW, contrary to your statement as to the futility of using Google to
fine the meaning of covenant, all the above was except for the adjective
bit, found with Google and if you Google covenated you will find that it
is used a lot both as a verb and as an adjective. You will get 449 hits
for covenated. Probably mostly misspellings but that is one way that new
words are created.

I'll try to do better or I should say my spell checker will.

Bob Miller



"Coven" = a group of witches.

Does "covenated" mean when a person is forced to join a group of witches?

I made an (extremely clever) referral to "COFDM Coven" he

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...00296be6334389


I only *asked* if you meant "coveted".

Now, bob, "coveted" means envious of other peoples positions or possessions.
;-)

[Hint: Think of your personal feelings toward prosperous and contented OTA
HDTV viewers on AVS forum.]

WTF does he/bob/you waste your/his/fruitcake's time here, when you/he/moron
should be developing a decent website?

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, G-squared wrote:
Nope, I disagree. The broadcasters ONLY have the HD to entice you.
You're acting like the LPs will still be manufactured and the CDs will
be the premium. Not gonna happen.

Their argument is circular.

On the one hand, they argue that there's enough of a demand for HD that it
is economically viable to support HD (and its attendant equipment costs)
as a pay service.

On the other hand, they argue that enough people are content with SD that
it is economically viable to have OTA free TV be SD only.

Simultaneously, they argue that all network programming will be produced
in HD but will be downgraded in the OTA free TV service to SD.

The flaw to this reasoning is that it presumes that the broadcasters will
degrade their OTA signal in order to provide cable and satellite with a
premium service! This also presumes that the cable and satellite service
providers will willingly go along with this scheme by making a long-term
commitment to carry both the free SD signal and the premium HD signal.

What it really comes down to is wistful thinking; specifically, the end of
OTA free TV. The bandwidth currently occupied by OTA TV is coveted by
others; if television completely moves to cable/satellite that bandwidth
becomes available.

The broadcasters do not give away
their programming. Showtime and HBO ONLY make their money by
subscription. Network TV is funded by advertising. The cable fee is
primarily to maintain the cable system.

All this falls under the "well, duh!" category.

It'll be interesting to see if he accepts my $1000 wager. I'd love to
take his money.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.