Drax (TOT)

Other discussions have touched on the Drax protest. I just thought I ought
to pass on something from this morning's paper.

"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning the whole
basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

So there we have it, they've admitted it. The environmental bandwagon is
riddled with scumbags who want to undermine society and have us all living
in caves. The same scumbags who have found shelter over the years in various
extreme left political parties, the CND, various anti-racist movements, etc.
So many good causes have been taken over by these nutters and have lost all
credibility as a result.

Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

What with the commie/anarchist brigade and the achingly unpleasant middle
class puritan-style hypocritcal do-gooders, whose greatest pleasure is to
tell the rest of us how to live our lives, the environmental movement is
just about buggered. The reasonable people are clearly in a small minority,
and their voices will soon be drowned out by the lunatic majority.

Who will fight the environmental cause when the nutters have got the backs
up all normal decent people?

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in
:


"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning the
whole basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

While I agree with your thoughts about these people, I think the basic
problem is population growth, which necessarily causes economic growth,
which is all going to end, unless reversed, in unimaginable disaster.

In the mean time, we all get more enraged with each other; I've given up on
humanity fiding it's own way out of this mess, and find all the strident
groups, pushing whatever theories, equally objectionable.

It's why I prefer to spend time here and in uk.d-i-y, where I can forget
all that....


.....or can I?

mike

Mike Henry wrote:
Yep. An excellent programme on FXUK called "Penn and Teller: Bull****"
pointed this out about Greenpeace. Its founder, interviewed on the
programme, said that he left because it had been taken over by the
nutters.

Without wishing to comment on the views of Patrick Moore (no, not *that*
one), in the interests of accuracy I should point out that he is a former
*director* of Greenpeace, having joined it in 1971 as a "founding member".
He certainly isn't *the* founder. And he left the organisation 20 years
ago...

"mike" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in
:


"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning the
whole basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

While I agree with your thoughts about these people, I think the basic
problem is population growth, which necessarily causes economic growth,
which is all going to end, unless reversed, in unimaginable disaster.

Yes, and population growth is caused by immigration. Sucessive governments
have let us all down badly here, allowing so many people to enter the
country. It would be fine if the people coming in were selected on grounds
of ability -- they would work hard and help the economy -- but let's be
honest we now have ghettos of people who are as bad as the white trailer
trash that have long been the curse of this country. What's more, a lot of
these people are completely alienated from mainstream society and owe no
allegance to this country whatsoever. Their birthrate is far higher than
that of the general population and frankly I don't think the UK will be a
nice place to live in 30 years.

Bill

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:42:14 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

So there we have it, they've admitted it. The environmental bandwagon is
riddled with scumbags who want to undermine society and have us all living
in caves. The same scumbags who have found shelter over the years in various
extreme left political parties, the CND, various anti-racist movements, etc.
So many good causes have been taken over by these nutters and have lost all
credibility as a result.

I wondered about this. In fact it wouldn't be hard to imagine a
situation where those who felt threatened by such organisation,
deliberately encouraged radical, ignorant and anti-social members to
join until the whole organization collapsed in on itself.

What with the commie/anarchist brigade and the achingly unpleasant middle
class puritan-style hypocritcal do-gooders, whose greatest pleasure is to
tell the rest of us how to live our lives, the environmental movement is
just about buggered. The reasonable people are clearly in a small minority,
and their voices will soon be drowned out by the lunatic majority.

I think a lot of these people enjoy their ignorance. It's like a
religion to them - give them facts and they feel threatened as they
may have to reassess their entire reason for being and purpose of
life.

Typical example (to keep vaguely on topic), mobile phone masts. These
days every man, woman and child seems to have a phone and these
transmit with varying power depending on distance from the cell-site.

The best thing you can do to reduce your RF exposure is to be close to
a base station (inverse-square law etc), so what do the nimbys do -
try to ban mobile masts near schools, therefor potentially exposing
everyone with a mobile phone in the area to higher average RF fields!

I've even heard of mast protests organised by mobile phone!

Rgds
Jonathan

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:21:22 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

Yes, and population growth is caused by immigration. Sucessive governments
have let us all down badly here, allowing so many people to enter the
country. It would be fine if the people coming in were selected on grounds
of ability -- they would work hard and help the economy -- but let's be

Actually, most of the immigration IS that kind of person. The problem
is that we as a country are actually benefiting in the short term, at
the expense of other countries!

In the future, this source of cheap and skilled workers will dry up
and since a lot of today's "youth" in this country feel it beneath
them to do anything that's not media or office related, at that point
we really will be up the creak - having come to depend on immigration
as a source of cheap labour.

The real immigration scandal is just how hard it can be for people
outside the EU to legitimately visit and stay in this country. I've
direct experience of the "racism" in the UK immigration service for a
relative who was due to visit us from Zimbabwe to stay for a few
months (due to the situation there). They held her for a day at
Heathrow while my wife and baby waited the whole time in the terminal,
not knowing why she'd not been cleared. When we eventually found out,
no amount of personal guarantees etc would satisfy the immigration
staff and they held her and forced her to leave on the next flight
(with no refund of course). This was apparently because she was
nervous when talking to them - as you might expect for someone leaving
a dictatorship for the first time and then being interrogated by UK
government officials. We wrote letters to MPs etc but of course by
that time she'd been returned to Zimbabwe and placed in much more
danger than originally the case.

So there you go, rant over. My experience of UK immigration policy is
one of "institutional racism" (of the "they're not from around here"
type), bullying and I suspect, one of keeping numbers low by rejecting
the most vulnerable. Yes we've been let down by immigration policy but
certainly not in the way you imply.

honest we now have ghettos of people who are as bad as the white trailer
trash that have long been the curse of this country. What's more, a lot of
these people are completely alienated from mainstream society and owe no

I believe you get this phenomena in any society, but I suspect given
the numbers of immigrants we've seen in recent years that the
percentage like this is much lower than the UK average.

allegance to this country whatsoever. Their birthrate is far higher than
that of the general population and frankly I don't think the UK will be a

Birthrates do appear higher in deprived areas, ironically life
expectancy is shorter as well. That's due to "poverty", this can be
self imposed or due to outside influences, but it's not a reason in
itself to critisise the people involved.

nice place to live in 30 years.

I think Blair is doing a fine job of turning this country in to the
cesspool of Europe. Cameras on every corner, the removal of the
justice system and mob rule all appear to be part of his founding
polices. If he can blame a few of his troubles on "immigrants" i'm
sure he'll jump on it. To be quite honest the UK is not a pleasant
place compared to much of western europe now - let alone in 30 years.

Rgds
Jonathan

Bill Wright wrote:

"mike" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in
:


"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning the
whole basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

While I agree with your thoughts about these people, I think the basic
problem is population growth, which necessarily causes economic growth,
which is all going to end, unless reversed, in unimaginable disaster.

Yes, and population growth is caused by immigration. Sucessive governments
have let us all down badly here, allowing so many people to enter the
country. It would be fine if the people coming in were selected on grounds

Where are you at Bill!?

"population growth" refers to *world* population growth, that's the
problem, not our little (somewhat overcrowded) country.

--
Chris Green

wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

"mike" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in
:


"Their campaign against CO2 is is a vehicle for a much more radical
political agenda, however. "Our movement is based on questioning
the whole basis of economic growth" said Robbie Madden . . ."

While I agree with your thoughts about these people, I think the
basic problem is population growth, which necessarily causes
economic growth, which is all going to end, unless reversed, in
unimaginable disaster.

Yes, and population growth is caused by immigration. Sucessive
governments have let us all down badly here, allowing so many people
to enter the country. It would be fine if the people coming in were
selected on grounds

Where are you at Bill!?

"population growth" refers to *world* population growth, that's the
problem, not our little (somewhat overcrowded) country.




Bill obviously means the population growth of the UK, which in my lifetime
has increased from 50 million to 60 million, despite a declining birthrate.

Ivan wrote:

Bill obviously means the population growth of the UK, which in my lifetime
has increased from 50 million to 60 million, despite a declining birthrate.

And the world population has increased from 3 billion to 6 billion in
my lifetime, which I think is pretty shocking ...

....snip...
Another quote: We want to make people realise that driving a big 4x4 in
town
is as socially unacceptable as drink-driving." Now that really is evidence
of someone that's lost touch with reality.

Sorry Bill but I have to disagree here. For those of you who live or worok
in rural areas, own 4x4s and really need them, I have no problems. And
clearly there will be times where you drive through town and again, no
problem at all because its better you have one car than a second "just for
town".

However London is full of "Chelsea tractors" with no ground clearence,
pristine paintwork and normally driven by a "footballer's wife" who is
concentrating on not smearing her makeup whilst talking on her non-handsfree
mobile phone. Ask my wife (who walks our chidren a whole mile to school
each morning much to other peoples' amazement!) which type of vehicles
screams around corners with no indicators and clog up our small roads
because they are too far important to ever give way, typically resulting in
gridlock because two of these monsters don't fit down our narrow streets.

Sorry, but most of these owners have no need for these monsters - it's
just - umm, what's the female equivalent of penis envy?

Paul DS.