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Stryjewski wrote:
Jackzwick wrote:
Excuse me, I got a new MacPro, now with a "Universal" Newswatcher for
reading USenet, and I had to re-establish my filters. Now that the non
TiVo owning, tivo hating Troll is filtered out, I shall again be able
to happily read this newsgroup and ignore his nonsense.

TiVo is doing great.


Speaking of trolls...what happened to our "friend" Sean who was
predicting the death of TiVo? It was always interesting reading his
interpretation of events.

Sean disappeared awhile back, and then reappeared for a post or two not
too long ago. Notably, the "Tivo - dead company walking" sig was missing.

Randy S.

JEDIDIAH wrote:
Doing great by being *******S.

They couldn't compete, so now they choose to abuse the patent
system. That's the very computing definition of evil.

I have no interest in supporting a company that conspires to
take my options away. Being a captive audience is not acceptable.

They are fundementally violating their entire value proposition.

You mean you are entirely against patents, period? What Tivo is doing
is hardly *abusing* patent law. Other companies have set the standard
for that *far* higher.

Tivo *never* got even a little bit of a period of exclusivity for their
patents. This is not like the case of Disney who keeps lobbying to
extend copyright protection 50 years of the holder is "passed on". They
do deserve some recompense for inventing the genre. Neither are they
similar to the case of NTP, a company that simply bought a previously
existing patent, never intended to use it for anything, and sued RIM for
millions of dollars. *Those* are the abuse cases.

If you disagree with current patent granting policies (which is fine, so
do I), then point your beef to the Patent Office. Tivo can't afford to
play the game with one arm tied behind their back while everyone else is
perfectly happy to swing with either hand. Trust me, Echostar and the
cable companies don't hesitate *one second* when they can use patent
suits for their own benefit.

Randy S.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:42:23 -0400, Randy S. wrote:

JEDIDIAH wrote:
Doing great by being *******S.

They couldn't compete, so now they choose to abuse the patent
system. That's the very computing definition of evil.

I have no interest in supporting a company that conspires to
take my options away. Being a captive audience is not acceptable.

They are fundementally violating their entire value proposition.

You mean you are entirely against patents, period?

I'm going to throw my thoughts into this. The whole patent issue is a
f*cking joke anymore and has been for years. Come on, when you can get a
patent on a simple loop of plastic to do your hair, when people have been
doing it for hundreds of years with a bent coat hanger or loop of any
wire, it's getting a bit rediculous. And it's certainly not like Tivo
invented recording TV. they really didn't invent anything. They just
waited til the hardware caught up enough so it was possible to do on hard
drives. If any patent should have been issued it shouldn't have been valid
for more than 1 year. And IMO, they should never have been issued a
patent. There idea was nothing new by a long shot. But, stupid people make
stupid laws and the rest of the country pays for it forever. I don't
follow this kind of crap and i really don't even know what their patent is
for. Can't be recording TV can it. Maybe I'll apply for a patent doing the
same thing using flash ram. Done right, I bet I could get a patent for
that. What a joke.

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:04:54 +0000, Stryjewski wrote:

Jackzwick wrote:
Excuse me, I got a new MacPro, now with a "Universal" Newswatcher for
reading USenet, and I had to re-establish my filters. Now that the non
TiVo owning, tivo hating Troll is filtered out, I shall again be able to
happily read this newsgroup and ignore his nonsense.

TiVo is doing great.


Speaking of trolls...what happened to our "friend" Sean who was
predicting the death of TiVo? It was always interesting reading his
interpretation of events.

Hmmm... I suppose you think that a company that goes from a high of over
$60 a share in first quarter of 00 to it's current value of less than $8
is good in your books? OK.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TIVO...=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Not a company I'd invest in for long time growth. Not bad for short term
though as long as you buy at a low.

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On 2006-08-29, Randy S. wrote:
JEDIDIAH wrote:
Doing great by being *******S.

They couldn't compete, so now they choose to abuse the patent
system. That's the very computing definition of evil.

I have no interest in supporting a company that conspires to
take my options away. Being a captive audience is not acceptable.

They are fundementally violating their entire value proposition.

You mean you are entirely against patents, period? What Tivo is doing

New and unprecedented forms of them, certainly.

There's far too much uncataloged prior art involved. Even if the
PTO wasn't inadequately staffed and managed, it would be a problem.

is hardly *abusing* patent law. Other companies have set the standard
for that *far* higher.

Tivo *never* got even a little bit of a period of exclusivity for their
patents. This is not like the case of Disney who keeps lobbying to

They will certainly be getting their 17 years now since they're
suing everyone. Enforcing that exclusivity is rather the point of those
lawsuits.

extend copyright protection 50 years of the holder is "passed on". They
do deserve some recompense for inventing the genre. Neither are they
similar to the case of NTP, a company that simply bought a previously
existing patent, never intended to use it for anything, and sued RIM for
millions of dollars. *Those* are the abuse cases.

If you disagree with current patent granting policies (which is fine, so
do I), then point your beef to the Patent Office. Tivo can't afford to

The PTO is running amok so it doesn't matter how evil Tivo is?

Nice outlook on things.

play the game with one arm tied behind their back while everyone else is
perfectly happy to swing with either hand. Trust me, Echostar and the
cable companies don't hesitate *one second* when they can use patent
suits for their own benefit.

I find myself in the unusual position of wanting to see Microsoft
throw it's weight around and remind Tivo of the full implications of
casually lobbing around patent WMDs.

Any of the real software development houses are bound to have
a great number of patents in their portfolios that they could sue Tivo
into oblivion with if they really wanted to.

That's part of the fun of software patents. You can get sued
over trivial programming techniques you learned in high school.

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In article , "Randy S." wrote:
Stryjewski wrote:
Jackzwick wrote:
Excuse me, I got a new MacPro, now with a "Universal" Newswatcher for
reading USenet, and I had to re-establish my filters. Now that the non
TiVo owning, tivo hating Troll is filtered out, I shall again be able
to happily read this newsgroup and ignore his nonsense.

TiVo is doing great.


Speaking of trolls...what happened to our "friend" Sean who was
predicting the death of TiVo? It was always interesting reading his
interpretation of events.

Sean disappeared awhile back, and then reappeared for a post or two not
too long ago. Notably, the "Tivo - dead company walking" sig was missing.

Randy S.

Sean=Wes
Wes=Sean

Wes Newell wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:04:54 +0000, Stryjewski wrote:


Jackzwick wrote:

Excuse me, I got a new MacPro, now with a "Universal" Newswatcher for
reading USenet, and I had to re-establish my filters. Now that the non
TiVo owning, tivo hating Troll is filtered out, I shall again be able to
happily read this newsgroup and ignore his nonsense.

TiVo is doing great.


Speaking of trolls...what happened to our "friend" Sean who was
predicting the death of TiVo? It was always interesting reading his
interpretation of events.


Hmmm... I suppose you think that a company that goes from a high of over
$60 a share in first quarter of 00 to it's current value of less than $8
is good in your books? OK.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TIVO...=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Not a company I'd invest in for long time growth. Not bad for short term
though as long as you buy at a low.


Wes,

I'll leave the whole thread for you to see, that I didn't say TiVo was
doing great. That was the original poster. I asked where Sean was.

However, go to the yahoo page above, plug in a couple other little
companies in the "vs." section.

SUNW - Sun Microsystems
EMC - EMC Corp
YHOO - Yahoo

You'll see the same basic curve. The curve demonstrates the tech bubble
burst. Many other tech companies have the same curve.

TiVo isn't doing "great". But I'd rather have a TiVo than a Replay or
UnlimateTV box.

I don't know how you have time to post to a.v.p.t? You are recording
many hours of HDTV a day, in fact sometimes a 4 to 1 time ratio, on your
MythTV box. Do you ever get a chance to watch any? Even skipping the
commercials, that's a lot of seat time to watch recorded shows.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:34:04 +0000, GMAN wrote:

Sean=Wes
Wes=Sean

I don't think so. Sean was a pussy. I've got big balls.:-)

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:37:03 +0000, Stryjewski wrote:

I don't know how you have time to post to a.v.p.t? You are recording
many hours of HDTV a day, in fact sometimes a 4 to 1 time ratio, on your
MythTV box. Do you ever get a chance to watch any? Even skipping the
commercials, that's a lot of seat time to watch recorded shows.

I'm retired.:-)
I also watch tv fast, often skipping through boring parts. I watch Wheel
in about 8 minutes. Some 1 hour shows in 30 minutes. One key push skips 3
minutes instantly. I can FF at 3, 5, 10, 20, 30, 60, 120x. I can play in
slowmo without loosing sound. whatever...

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:32:39 GMT, Jackzwick wrote:

Excuse me, I got a new MacPro, now with a "Universal" Newswatcher for
reading USenet, and I had to re-establish my filters. Now that the non
TiVo owning, tivo hating Troll is filtered out, I shall again be able to
happily read this newsgroup and ignore his nonsense.

TiVo is doing great.

1. Should soon get big bucks from Echostar for patent infringement.

2. Comcast Cable set top boxes with TiVo will soon be out, adding more $$
to TiVo's coffers.

3. Cox Cable just signed a deal like Comcast to get TiVo in their set
top boxes.

4. TiVo signed a 2 year extendion with DirecTv, keeping that money
rolling in.

5. Lawsuits against Scientific Atanta and Motorola for their patent
infringing DVRs, could likely be settled out of court for big
settlements.

6. Rumors of negotiations with Warner and Charter Cable are out there.

7. The new dual tuner SA TiVo is selling great.

8. DirecTv continues to sell the HT10-250 HD unit with TiVo.

9. The HD TiVo series 3 will be out soon also.

Go look at the financial statements at hoovers.com.
Tivo's debt is increasing and it still does not have a net profit.


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8/31/2006 12:36:49 AM