Comcastic F*ckwits

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....

Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema
for the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there
will be a huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful.

For sure

Until they figure out how to beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2
second delay when using a GeoS satellite, or figure out an efficient way
to deploy and utilize LEOS, don't hold your breath while waiting for
satellite phones to become mainstream.

All of which is MUCH less problematic than VOIP (catching on very
quickly)

Care to explain how so? You do realize $$$ counts as a problem, don't
you? VoIP is MUCH cheaper to deploy than a fleet of LEOS.

If they solved the "problem" today, economics would delay it by several
years.

Yeah, like how to make billions of dollars worth of space gear suddenly
appear in the sky for no cost.

Not too up on advancements and costs over the last 20 years are you?

Cheaper now vs. 20 years ago does not make it cheap. It is still grossly
expensive.

GPS for the public was unthinkable not too long ago.

Yeah, a 1-way application (the satellite portion). One either has a GPS
receiver only (like the ones I have) or for tracking they use GPS (1-way) to
get positional data and then use near-ground based communication to send tha
data back (like how UPS uses the cellular network to send package updates
back to the home office). And when not in an area that they have good
near-ground coverage, the data gets stored until it can be sent. Not
applicable as an alternative to today's near-ground based telephone system.

Oh, did you know that GPS was advanced to track the migration of seals? A
bit of information one cannot live without.

Yeah, not a "real-time" application. For that, "near real-time" is good
enough. For 2-way communication to the publc, "near real-time" is not good
enough.

Let's put some things in context. You or I do not have millions or close
to a billion. There are a couple "individuals" setting up the launching
and maintaining of "private" satellites.

And what kind of satellites will those be? GeoS? LEOS? How many? And at
what cost for use of them?

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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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Oh, did you know that GPS was advanced to track the migration of seals?
A bit of information one cannot live without.

Yeah, not a "real-time" application. For that, "near real-time" is good
enough. For 2-way communication to the publc, "near real-time" is not
good enough.


Not relavant to the comment.

Let's put some things in context. You or I do not have millions or close
to a billion. There are a couple "individuals" setting up the launching
and maintaining of "private" satellites.

And what kind of satellites will those be? GeoS? LEOS? How many? And
at what cost for use of them?

Probably none of the above.
Who said cost of use?

You are off in a "fixed" world.

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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Oh, did you know that GPS was advanced to track the migration of seals?
A bit of information one cannot live without.

Yeah, not a "real-time" application. For that, "near real-time" is good
enough. For 2-way communication to the publc, "near real-time" is not
good enough.

Not relavant to the comment.

Yes cause we're talking about satellite as a replacement for current
near-ground transmissions.

Let's put some things in context. You or I do not have millions or
close to a billion. There are a couple "individuals" setting up the
launching and maintaining of "private" satellites.

And what kind of satellites will those be? GeoS? LEOS? How many? And
at what cost for use of them?

Probably none of the above.
Who said cost of use?

Then why did you bring it up?

You are off in a "fixed" world.

No, just realistic.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:33:55 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.


You've just amply demonstrated your lack of critical thinking on this topic.

Nice job ;-)

If you have excellent credit they don't require a deposit, all others pay
cash.

And FWIW, it takes longer than 6 months to prove you are an "upstanding
citizen".

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ups.com...
Update, eight months later..

I eventually moved to an area surrounded by trees. Unable to retrieve a
usable sat signal, I resigned myself to putting down the aforementioned
$250 deposit for the HD-DVR unit from Comcast.

Six months later, after making six payments on time and proving I was
an upstanding citizen, I called Comcast and asked for my deposit to be
returned. I was told "the request was going into research."

Three weeks later, having heard nothing, I called back, asked if the
"research was done", and the CSR said "Oh, that was one that Ivan was
taking care of, I'll check with him and get back to you."

One week after that, I stopped at my local Comcast office and requested
the refund of my deposit.

The CSR's response: "We can't give back the deposit until you've had
the account for a year."

Me: "Wait, you said it was six months!"

CSR: "Yeah, well, they changed the rule."

Me: "Retroactively?? You yourself told me it was six months!"

CSR shrugs. "Sorry, we got the word from Philadelphia."

Me: "If I was walking in off the street, how long would I have had to
be a customer to get the box without a deposit?"

CSR: "Six months."

Thus I entered the Comcast Bizzaro World.

For its part, the Motorola HD-DVR is unreliable, has a lousy interface,
can't be upgraded to larger capacity, is too stupid to know if a show's
been recorded before, has an impossibly complex remote, and makes odd
chirping sounds periodically to remind you it's there.

I'm considering taking down several enormous pine trees to give myself
a shot at the southern sky.

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:33:55 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
news:[email protected] com...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of
pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.


You've just amply demonstrated your lack of critical thinking on this
topic.

Nice job ;-)

I'll have to tell that to those that paid me so much.
I'm sorry I went beyond hi-school or tech school levels.
Their typical application of thoughts is way more than sufficient to repair
and often design, but it stops there.
Quantum Physics is real.

Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that current does not flow from negative to
positive. I hate to upset your imaginary world.

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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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Oh, did you know that GPS was advanced to track the migration of seals?
A bit of information one cannot live without.

Yeah, not a "real-time" application. For that, "near real-time" is good
enough. For 2-way communication to the publc, "near real-time" is not
good enough.

Not relavant to the comment.

Yes cause we're talking about satellite as a replacement for current
near-ground transmissions.

Let's put some things in context. You or I do not have millions or
close to a billion. There are a couple "individuals" setting up the
launching and maintaining of "private" satellites.

And what kind of satellites will those be? GeoS? LEOS? How many? And
at what cost for use of them?

Probably none of the above.
Who said cost of use?

Then why did you bring it up?

You mentioned cost as if it was a big deal.


You are off in a "fixed" world.

No, just realistic.


When you have their kind of money realism is beyond our imagination.

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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You mentioned cost as if it was a big deal.

To the average consumer, it is.

You are off in a "fixed" world.

No, just realistic.

When you have their kind of money realism is beyond our imagination.

When they are trying to make money, what will realistically give them a
return on their investment is important. You didn't think these billions in
satellites were going to be launched as a charitable exercise, did you?

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:33:55 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.


The electrons move enough to transmit their energy to the next
electrons.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:50:53 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:33:55 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
news:[email protected] .com...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of
pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.


You've just amply demonstrated your lack of critical thinking on this
topic.

Nice job ;-)

I'll have to tell that to those that paid me so much.
I'm sorry I went beyond hi-school or tech school levels.
Their typical application of thoughts is way more than sufficient to repair
and often design, but it stops there.
Quantum Physics is real.

Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that current does not flow from negative to
positive. I hate to upset your imaginary world.


That's the way electrons move. There's something called "hole current"
that moves the other way. In college, I remember seeing a film in
college, that showed a bipolar transistor with both electrons and
holes moving.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin