Comcastic F*ckwits

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for
the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a
huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful. Until they figure out how to
beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2 second delay when using a GeoS
satellite, or figure out an efficient way to deploy and utilize LEOS, don't
hold your breath while waiting for satellite phones to become mainstream.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:15:19 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for the
long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a huge
increase in towers.

It's possible I'd get better signal now if I had one of the newer
(GSM?) phones.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:07:48 -0400, "Seth"
wrote:

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for
the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a
huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful. Until they figure out how to
beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2 second delay when using a GeoS
satellite, or figure out an efficient way to deploy and utilize LEOS, don't
hold your breath while waiting for satellite phones to become mainstream.


You have the same (1/2 second delay) problem with satellite internet.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:12:17 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


Whatever. This isn't a matter of simple invention, there's a lot of
pure
physics involved...

OOps, sorry, but there isn't, it's quite possible right now. When the
"physics" (physical) of running wires and replacing wires is more
expensive
than the advancement of "existing" technologies, smack, done. Of course
all
the new (not new, just unfamiliar to most) is advanced in production and
lower price, boom. NO INVENTIONS REQUIRED.


Ah. So have you solved the problem that the speed of light manifests on
your
little scheme? Talk to me once you've even realized what that means...


What has "speed of light" to do, negatively, with anything I stated?

Electrical fields don't propagate faster on wire than air or space. Of
course you do know that all electrical fields travel on or just under the
surface of wire and VHF above the surface. You probably also know that
electrons don't "travel". They don't even move.

But with satellite the signals have to travel a lot further. Using a GeoS,
a 1-way communication packet has to travel 23,000 miles 2x. Your response
would have to travel the same distance. That's a lot further than ground
and near-ground communication methods.

To overcome this lag due to distance, they would have to A) make the signals
travel faster or B) utilize a large fleet of LEOS. LEOS are very expensive
to deploy and maintain.

"Seth" wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for
the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a
huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful.

For sure

Until they figure out how to beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2
second delay when using a GeoS satellite, or figure out an efficient way to
deploy and utilize LEOS, don't hold your breath while waiting for satellite
phones to become mainstream.

All of which is MUCH less problematic than VOIP (catching on very quickly)

If they solved the "problem" today, economics would delay it by several
years.

"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Seth" wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
m...

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....

Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for
the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a
huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful.

For sure

Until they figure out how to beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2
second delay when using a GeoS satellite, or figure out an efficient way
to deploy and utilize LEOS, don't hold your breath while waiting for
satellite phones to become mainstream.

All of which is MUCH less problematic than VOIP (catching on very quickly)

Care to explain how so? You do realize $$$ counts as a problem, don't you?
VoIP is MUCH cheaper to deploy than a fleet of LEOS.

If they solved the "problem" today, economics would delay it by several
years.

Yeah, like how to make billions of dollars worth of space gear suddenly
appear in the sky for no cost.

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:15:19 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later - if
ever -
than you probably think....


Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema for
the
long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will be a huge
increase in towers.

It's possible I'd get better signal now if I had one of the newer
(GSM?) phones.

My son just called from Thailand. There is little time distortion. Little
meaning, "who knows". Not he or my wife.
For $0.01 a minute, international across the Pacific, who cares? The worst
case scenario is $0.25 per minute with traditional methods. "Traditional"
not even thought of by the general industry 7 years ago.
He has three phones for various occasions and locations. Each needs a new
SIM card according to area. Tomorrow or the day after we are going to
communicate, live video from his laptop to my desktop. So far it has been
better than the typical T.V. feeds.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

"Seth" wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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"Seth" wrote in message
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"Vernon" [email protected] wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:52:05 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:59:11 -0700, "Vernon" [email protected] wrote:
I may or may not be a while but cable T.V., as we know it, will
disappear.
T.V will be either thru the main electric lines or more probably
satellite.

A number of contributing factors will make that happen much later -
if
ever -
than you probably think....

Yes, like "color" T.V., FM, Fiber Optic cable.
The same was said about ALL of them.

Oh, we mustn't forget "It'll never happen" Cell phones everywhere.
Over half of the people I know under 50 have no land line.


I might (have no land line) except the cell reception here is too
poor.

Oh, yes, a problem now.
It wont be too long and "cell" will be via satellite. It's a dilema
for the long term planners in "cell" companies. Before that there will
be a huge increase in towers.

Satellite phones exist now and they are awful.

For sure

Until they figure out how to beat physics and get rid of the minimum 1/2
second delay when using a GeoS satellite, or figure out an efficient way
to deploy and utilize LEOS, don't hold your breath while waiting for
satellite phones to become mainstream.

All of which is MUCH less problematic than VOIP (catching on very
quickly)

Care to explain how so? You do realize $$$ counts as a problem, don't
you? VoIP is MUCH cheaper to deploy than a fleet of LEOS.

If they solved the "problem" today, economics would delay it by several
years.

Yeah, like how to make billions of dollars worth of space gear suddenly
appear in the sky for no cost.

Not too up on advancements and costs over the last 20 years are you?

GPS for the public was unthinkable not too long ago.
Oh, did you know that GPS was advanced to track the migration of seals? A
bit of information one cannot live without.

Let's put some things in context. You or I do not have millions or close to
a billion. There are a couple "individuals" setting up the launching and
maintaining of "private" satellites.