Anyone got an OTA ASTC tuner for their PC?

Mark Zimmerman wrote:
snip
The linux dvb driver will let you do this easily, so any card that
is
supported by the dvb framework will do what you need. If I remember
correctly, you just capture PID 0x2000.

So who besides Wes are actually running Myth TV? Or any other Linux
system DVR.

Someone mentioned BeyondTV. I tried a clean install on a new 300 gig
drive with BeyondTV - the free trial - and it didn't work at all with 2
tuners and barely worked with one HDTV Wonder. Equally bad behavior
with Sage TV. The same hardware does just fine with ATI 9.13.

I'm chicken to mess with Linux so far -- will it be easy or another 2
day 'black hole' ?

GG

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:37:54 -0700, G-squared wrote:

Mark Zimmerman wrote:
snip
The linux dvb driver will let you do this easily, so any card that
is
supported by the dvb framework will do what you need. If I remember
correctly, you just capture PID 0x2000.

So who besides Wes are actually running Myth TV? Or any other Linux
system DVR.

All Tivo owners are running a Linux system DVR. That's probably a few
million alone. Just consider MythTV as a Tivo without limitations.

I'm chicken to mess with Linux so far -- will it be easy or another 2
day 'black hole' ?

If you have the proper hardware and a blank drive, it's pretty easy. Today
I deleted a mythTV setup, and loaded Mandriva linux on it. About 6 hours
later, I reinstalled MythTV on it and watched TV on it 30 minutes after
starting the install. And this time, I installed Mythdora (FC based)
instead of Knoppmyth (Debian based), which i usually use fro frontends. 6
of one....

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:19:31 -0000 Mark Zimmerman wrote:
| On 2006-08-17, wrote:
| On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:17:32 GMT Wes Newell wrote:
|
|| On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:49:47 -0700, NadCixelsyd wrote:
||
|| What's a good tuner card for the PC. I hear that some of the older
|| tuner cards had problems or limitations so I want to get one that has a
|| few features. Anyone got any recommendations? While I'm at it, I'd
|| like to make my PC into a DVR in its spare time.
||
|| Any card that does the job well is a good card. I started like you with a
|| $150 Dvico Fusion HDTV5 Gold card. I've since sold it and I now have 4 old
|| Air2PC Rev.02 cards in mine. You can buy these for $25 or less each. They
|| don't do NTSC, but if I never see NTSC again it'll be too soon, and they
|| don't do QAM. Since I've never had cable or sat. I couldn't care less
|| about QAM support either so for me, they are the best you can buy.:-)
|| For remotes I used these:
|| http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm
|| Really really cheap and work great.
|
| Do any of these have the ability to pass the whole raw ATSC bit stream,
| bypassing channel extraction and decompression, to the CPU bus? What I
| am looking for is a way to backhaul some ATSC bit streams to another
| location and I would need a remodulator for that. It would need driver
| source code for Linux, or sufficient non-NDA specs to write such driver.
| My software would then packetize the streams (probably at least 2, which
| supposedly would be from 2 cards), haul them over fiber, and put it all
| back together again at the other end.
|
|
| The linux dvb driver will let you do this easily, so any card that is
| supported by the dvb framework will do what you need. If I remember
| correctly, you just capture PID 0x2000.

I take it that's a special code? Never heard that one before. It provides
the whole ATSC bit stream as is at 19.3926584597511115083 mbps? Would it
work if the contents of that bit stream were something that does not comply
with ATSC, such as some other kind of bitstream (assuming my software knows
what to do with it)?

Now all I need is hardware to reverse the process ... e.g. take the
bitstream and modulate a carrier with it (channel agility not essential).
I can take the ATSC apart myself. Or I can stuff something besides ATSC
in there to be carried over RF digitally at 19.3926584597511115083 mbps.

--
|---------------------------------------/----------------------------------|
| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
|------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|

G-squared wrote:
So who besides Wes are actually running Myth TV? Or any other Linux
system DVR.

See URL:http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=193371&cid=15864227.

--
URL:http://www.pobox.com/~ylee/ PERTH ---- *

Homemade 2.8TB RAID 5 storage array:
URL:http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=slrnd1g04a.5mt.ylee%40pobox.com

Wes Newell wrote:
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:37:54 -0700, G-squared wrote:

Mark Zimmerman wrote:
snip
The linux dvb driver will let you do this easily, so any card
that
is
supported by the dvb framework will do what you need. If I
remember
correctly, you just capture PID 0x2000.

So who besides Wes are actually running Myth TV? Or any other
Linux
system DVR.

All Tivo owners are running a Linux system DVR. That's probably a
few
million alone. Just consider MythTV as a Tivo without limitations.

I'm chicken to mess with Linux so far -- will it be easy or
another 2
day 'black hole' ?

If you have the proper hardware and a blank drive, it's pretty easy.
Today
I deleted a mythTV setup, and loaded Mandriva linux on it. About 6
hours
later, I reinstalled MythTV on it and watched TV on it 30 minutes
after
starting the install. And this time, I installed Mythdora (FC based)
instead of Knoppmyth (Debian based), which i usually use fro
frontends. 6
of one....

snip

So Wes, after using 2 versions of Linux, is there a preferred one for a
greenhorn like me? The hardware is Athlon xp 3000, ATI 9600 video, HDTV
Wonder. This currently runs very well with ATI software under XP Pro. I
have a new 300 gig IDE drive sitting in the box. Are there Linux
drivers for the ATI stuff ? At least if I fail, I can always go back to
the XP.

GG

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:40:48 -0700, G-squared wrote:

So Wes, after using 2 versions of Linux, is there a preferred one for a
greenhorn like me? The hardware is Athlon xp 3000, ATI 9600 video, HDTV
Wonder. This currently runs very well with ATI software under XP Pro. I
have a new 300 gig IDE drive sitting in the box. Are there Linux
drivers for the ATI stuff ? At least if I fail, I can always go back to
the XP.

ATI does have linux drivers for their video cards now. Don't know anything
about them. Here's info on the HDTV Wonder;

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder

Either Mythdora or Knoppmyth should work. Assuming you have a CD burner
just dl both and try one and then the other if the first one doesn't work.
Both of these will wipe your drive under standard install, so be aware of
that.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:40:48 -0700, G-squared wrote:

So Wes, after using 2 versions of Linux, is there a preferred one for a
greenhorn like me? The hardware is Athlon xp 3000, ATI 9600 video, HDTV
Wonder. This currently runs very well with ATI software under XP Pro. I

I should have clarified that the link I gave you shows a manual install of
all the stuff. You don't need to know any of that using knoppmyth or
mythdora. The one thing you *may* have to do after installing is to dl the
firmware file and copy it to the proper dir. But don't know if you'll even
need to do that for sure since I don't have an HDTV Wonder card.

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm

Hey Wes....

I've asked before but have forgotten your reply so
maybe you can indulge me again?

Do you 'feel" that a Myth machine should be doing ONLY
that function (recording TV)...... and NOT be used for
other computer functions such as spreadsheets, word
processing, etc?

Reason I ask is this...... I'm a soon to be college
student and currently don't have ANY computer at home
so am in market for one and will be sued for term
papers, research on Internet,etc

Bottom line..... Id "like" to buy only ONE machine that
could do all these things AND be a Myth machine but am
wondering if it bets NOT to "mix" the two functions.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:17:44 -0500, me wrote:

Hey Wes....

I've asked before but have forgotten your reply so
maybe you can indulge me again?

Do you 'feel" that a Myth machine should be doing ONLY
that function (recording TV)...... and NOT be used for
other computer functions such as spreadsheets, word
processing, etc?

No, I don't feel that way at all. My main mythbox is the one I'm on now.
And I do everything on it, including, but not limited to, what I'm doing
now. It's also is my web/ftp/file/news server along with being the MythTV
server. I'm constanting using it for every other PC use I do. I don't use
the frontend machines for anything but TV/music/ myth stuff, but that just
because I have no need to use them for anything else. I could just as
easily use one of them, except they aren't at a desk like this one is.:-)
There's absolutely no reason to just use it as just a MythTV box if have
other uses for it.

Bottom line..... Id "like" to buy only ONE machine that could do all
these things AND be a Myth machine but am wondering if it bets NOT to
"mix" the two functions.

Linux is designed for multiple users and functions. Set it up as
everything you want it for. Just an idea of what's running on this one now..

top - 22:58:44 up 11:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.08
Tasks: 89 total, 1 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
Mem: 906184k total, 811692k used, 94492k free, 16820k buffers
Swap: 811240k total, 2784k used, 808456k free, 649576k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
8052 wes 18 0 27800 20m 7768 S 1.0 2.3 5:32.90 net_applet
20346 wes 15 0 3596 2152 1328 S 0.3 0.2 0:00.22 rxvt.bin
1 root 15 0 1536 524 464 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.57 init
2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 migration/0
3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.28 ksoftirqd/0
4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
5 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.12 migration/1
6 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 ksoftirqd/1
7 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/1
8 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.19 events/0
9 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 events/1
10 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
11 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread
14 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.24 kblockd/0
15 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/1
16 root 13 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
156 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 kseriod
189 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 pdflush
190 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.17 pdflush
191 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.63 kswapd0
192 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0
193 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/1
849 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kpsmoused
852 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kirqd
870 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.12 kjournald
882 root 12 -4 1520 480 392 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.16 udevd
1414 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd
2550 root 13 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_0
2551 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.12 usb-storage
4299 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kjournald
4305 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 kjournald
4311 root 11 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kjournald
4361 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kjournald
4367 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.10 kjournald
4372 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.20 kjournald
4710 nobody 15 0 1872 788 648 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 noip2
5184 root 25 0 2188 1140 952 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.01 mysqld_safe
5220 mysql 15 0 109m 24m 4508 S 0.0 2.8 0:32.84 mysqld
5252 root 15 0 1580 576 460 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.04 syslogd
5261 root 15 0 2372 1324 384 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.05 klogd
5304 root 16 0 6244 3172 1468 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.27 cupsd
5511 root 17 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 hda_codec
5729 xfs 16 0 3860 1992 844 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.01 xfs
5750 messageb 15 0 2200 904 704 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 dbus-daemon-1
5765 root 16 0 4116 2492 1428 S 0.0 0.3 0:08.36 hald
5977 root 17 0 2596 780 648 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 kdm
6075 ups 15 0 1720 480 380 S 0.0 0.1 0:48.75 belkin
6094 ups 15 0 1720 436 328 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 upsd
6109 daemon 17 0 1660 348 256 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 atd
6128 root 25 0 1532 512 428 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 acpid
6186 root 24 0 2120 776 636 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 xinetd
6247 root 16 0 1924 904 364 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.90 cpufreqd
6318 nobody 15 0 5184 1332 676 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 proftpd
6333 root 16 0 1576 584 500 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 crond
6495 root 15 0 12864 7040 4236 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.31 httpd2
6503 root 24 0 3832 2032 1348 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.01 advxsplitlogfil
6506 apache 15 0 13028 5216 2308 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.00 httpd2
6507 apache 15 0 13000 5244 2332 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.00 httpd2
6560 root 17 0 2468 1360 1096 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.06 login
6561 root 21 0 1528 448 384 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mingetty
6562 root 21 0 1528 444 384 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mingetty
6563 root 21 0 1524 444 384 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mingetty
6564 root 21 0 1524 444 384 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mingetty
6565 root 21 0 1524 444 384 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mingetty
6849 wes 15 0 3288 1968 1160 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.03 bash
7941 wes 22 0 3024 1572 1004 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 startx
7953 wes 16 0 2360 672 564 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 xinit
7954 root 16 0 30824 22m 4376 S 0.0 2.5 2:12.64 X
8009 wes 16 0 2504 1248 952 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.02 starticewm
8031 wes 15 0 11264 3736 3032 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.15 bluez-pin
8037 wes 22 0 2572 648 528 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 dbus-launch
8038 wes 25 0 2112 480 368 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 dbus-daemon-1
8065 wes 15 0 5920 2396 1876 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.12 s2u
8066 wes 20 0 5416 1328 1060 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 icewm-session
8071 wes 20 5 5468 2016 1632 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.02 icewmbg
8072 wes 15 0 7280 4280 3048 S 0.0 0.5 0:01.74 icewm
8073 wes 15 0 5976 2312 1808 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.02 icewmtray
8074 wes 21 0 3016 1500 944 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 sh
8075 wes 15 0 23716 9.9m 7308 S 0.0 1.1 0:07.62 gkrellm
14914 wes 15 0 3856 2308 1324 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.30 rxvt.bin
14929 wes 15 0 3272 1952 1156 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.03 bash
15010 root 17 0 2464 1076 880 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 su
15026 root 15 0 2756 1712 1180 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.02 bash
16266 wes 15 0 4216 2680 1708 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.10 gconfd-2
18376 apache 15 0 12908 4624 1768 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.00 httpd2
19168 root 15 0 208m 20m 12m S 0.0 2.4 5:46.31 mythbackend
13814 wes 15 0 74308 11m 7324 S 0.0 1.3 0:08.55 pan
20361 wes 15 0 3284 1964 1156 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.03 bash
20451 wes 16 0 1976 1072 800 R 0.0 0.1 0:00.08 top

--
Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm