What Exactly Is Rain Fade?

Web Williams wrote:
Like I said, you're just a little bit off of the satellite.
Your dish needs realignment.


..
My location:
latitude- 21.28' N, longitude- 74.18' E.
Satellite NSS6: 95' E.

My receiver calculates:
Antenna Azimuth- 133.7', Antenna Elevation- 55.7'.

But it is difficult to measure accurate angle just by eyes or straight
wooden twig. And I don't have anything to open and fix bolts.

It is now raining non stop from last 20 hours. All life has come to
stand still.

But I don't understand this. My receiver is receiving satellite
radio(FM) channels almost non-stop since last 24 hours(strength 47%,
quality 54%). But goes dumb when I switch to TV.



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Web Williams wrote:
I forgot to tell you this-

In most cases, if your dish is out of adjustment, the
up/down is not out of adjustment, it's probably OK. Do
NOT loosen the bolts that allow up/down adjustment at
first. ONLY loosen the bolts that allow you to move
your dish left/right. Move the dish VERY slightly left
or right, and I bet you'll see signal quality come back.
Once you see the signal quality go up you'll know what
you need to do from there. After getting everything
aligned, use a marker to draw hash marks on all the
adjustments to make reference points for future
realignments.
.
So just few minutes I went up to dry LNB(it is still raining
intermittantly). First I moved dish without any reason. I took LNB in
hand and wondered how to open it. There are no screw. So I put it back.
Cleaned dish with cloth, came down and saw frozen picture on tv. I went
up again, covered LNB with plastic, tied it, came down and saw that
signal is back!

Quality is just 34-35%.

Still wondering what was the problem.

I'm happy for you! I hope you're getting roof waivers signed
every time you install one on a roof. If you don't, you
do realize you're liable for any damage done from any roof
leaks caused by mounting bolts penetrating the roof, eh?
Nothing wrong with installing one into siding, I do it all
the time. Siding mounts tend to have less problems than roof
mounts.

-Web Williams

Ten years and counting, and all of the mounts I installed either on
their roofs, or on the siding, are all still working fine.

I forgot to mention- 99% of the LNBFs of recent manufacture
are sealed with silicone during assembly. The only place
water can get in is if the plastic cup on the front gets
cracked. Of course, this happens quite often- the sun
tends to crack them after about two years. I think the
newest batch of LNBFs cover is made of inferior non-UV
protected plastic. After 6 months they show darkening,
and before two years is up they're shot. I'm talking about
the garden-variety $10-class LNBFs, not the $25+ versions.
The ones of better quality most certainly outlast the
cheapies by several years. Anyhow- they all have a plastic
housing that is snapped over the sealed unit which is
primarily for looks. I've popped them off and installed
only the sealed unit in cases where the plastic housing
won't fit the mount. (Not the white/transparent feedhorn
cover, just the hard grey plastic outer covering.)

As long as the feedhorn cover's integrity is OK, don't
suspect water intrusion.

It appears from his most recent post that he got his dish
back on the satellite and is receiving TV again just fine.

-Web Williams
Ethnic Satellite Service
Myrtle Beach, SC


If it is water in the LNB, perhaps you can dry it out with some low heat,
like setting it above an incandescent lamp for a while.

You might be able to hear water by shaking the LNB, or if you blow with
mouth pressure into one of the holes that you discovered, you might expel
water from one of the other holes.

Maybe seal the holes on top, and leave one at a low point open for
temperature change relief and condensation drain.

Web Williams writes:
[snip]
Why so confrontational sounding?

I wasn't being confrontational. I was just indicating
exception to "never mount an antenna on a wood surface"
and some picking on the use of "level" when "plumb" was
meant. Your advice was fine.

You (or someone) made a good point about roof mounting
and leaks. Mine is mounted on the eave so that any
leaking will do no harm, but I still used plenty of
roofing tar.

Afterthought: Confrontational is accusing someone of
being confrontational when the other person comments
on one's vast wisdom and experience in a subject area.

Web Williams wrote:
I'm happy for you! I hope you're getting roof waivers signed
every time you install one on a roof. If you don't, you
do realize you're liable for any damage done from any roof
leaks caused by mounting bolts penetrating the roof, eh?
Nothing wrong with installing one into siding, I do it all
the time. Siding mounts tend to have less problems than roof
mounts.

-Web Williams

Ten years and counting, and all of the mounts I installed either on
their roofs, or on the siding, are all still working fine.

..
There is cement water tank on roof. First installers tried to fix on
sidewall on terrace but sidewall was damaged. Then they fixed it on
cement water tank. Width of water tank is around 1 feet and it is
firmly fixed. So no question of roof leak due to dish.

Off course my roof is leaking but it is because some cement on slab is
cracked at, let me count, 6 spots!. And in this non stop rain it is
causing problems.

Once in year problem. Hence I always ignore it.

Web Williams wrote:
I forgot to mention- 99% of the LNBFs of recent manufacture
are sealed with silicone during assembly. The only place
water can get in is if the plastic cup on the front gets
cracked. Of course, this happens quite often- the sun
tends to crack them after about two years. I think the
newest batch of LNBFs cover is made of inferior non-UV
protected plastic. After 6 months they show darkening,
and before two years is up they're shot. I'm talking about
the garden-variety $10-class LNBFs, not the $25+ versions.
The ones of better quality most certainly outlast the
cheapies by several years. Anyhow- they all have a plastic
housing that is snapped over the sealed unit which is
primarily for looks. I've popped them off and installed
only the sealed unit in cases where the plastic housing
won't fit the mount. (Not the white/transparent feedhorn
cover, just the hard grey plastic outer covering.)

As long as the feedhorn cover's integrity is OK, don't
suspect water intrusion.

Feedhorn cover is OK. There is 1 mm gap between white feedhorn cover
and hard gray plastic. I thought that rainwater has entered through
that 1 mm gap. But now it seems that it was not the case. My dish was
not properly oriented towards satellite. Somehow I fixed it on trial
and error basis.

It appears from his most recent post that he got his dish
back on the satellite and is receiving TV again just fine.

Yes, I am onsat. I am getting uninterrupted signal even though it is
still raining. Thank you and thanks to all other posters.

There is cement water tank on roof. First installers tried to fix on
sidewall on terrace but sidewall was damaged. Then they fixed it on
cement water tank. Width of water tank is around 1 feet and it is
firmly fixed. So no question of roof leak due to dish.

I've seen these in Thailand- NICE! That gives you something really
solid to mount a dish on, hopefully the building owner does not
mind? You're very lucky!

Off course my roof is leaking but it is because some cement on slab is
cracked at, let me count, 6 spots!. And in this non stop rain it is
causing problems.

Once in year problem. Hence I always ignore it.

Sorry to hear about the roof leaking. I think you said you
were in India. I've never lived overseas, only visited for
a short time. Is this what is called "monsoon season" now?

And to Everett M. Greene, I assumed you were an installer and
made a habit of installing dishes on roofs in the course of
your work. It now appears that you're a homeowner who installed
his own dish only, or perhaps several dishes in the residences
where you have lived. When I was working for another company,
my training was such that if you installed a dish on someone's
roof, you had better be prepared to justify it at length to the
owner of the company, and if you did not have a good reason,
you would be on the street looking for another job! If you
installed on on a customer's roof and did not obtain a roof
waiver, God help your butt, because your soul would belong
to the company owner!!! It's just the training I had when I
first started doing these almost 10 years ago. No offense
intended.

-Web Williams
Ethnic satellite Service, Myrtle Beach, SC

wrote:
In rec.video.satellite.dbs TRISHAAN wrote:

I am talking about opera mini web browser which I use to browse net on
my mobile nokia 6600. Opera server is in norway. When I send my post it
is routed through opera's norway server. It hides my true IP.

I have used Opera Mini, but I can't imagine using it to post to a usenet
group on my Motorola v551.

..
I have used computer to access net and I have paid heavy telephone
bills. It was used to cost 50 rupees for one hour, 1200 for 24 hours if
I remain connected to net.

But now my mobile service provider, Airtel, charge me just 5 rupees,
yes 5 rupees for 24 hours GPRS. Even after 7 months it is unbelievable.

Yes, it is very hard to type but still compared to computer it is
fantastic. It is at negligible cost and I can access net anywhere.

Also the way opera displays web pages quickly and neatly arranged is
admirable.
(snip)

Where are you? Lat/long? City? What is the angle of your dish?

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Central India. Latitude- 21.28N, longitude- 74.18E, city(town)- Shahada
District- Nandurbar.

Angle of antenna may be 56'.

After adjusting dish, I am now receiving uninterrupted signal.

Web Williams top posted and spewed:

I'm happy for you!

Thank you!
I am happy for me too.
Thanks for the concern.

I hope you're getting roof waivers signed
every time you install one on a roof.

"Roof Waivers?
What the hell is that?
I have to assume that you believe that dishes can't be installed
succesfully and last for many many years, just because YOU have never
dine it right... right?

If you know HOW to install a 36"(one meter) dish properly in the first
place, you don't "need no stinkin' waivers"!
I do have a 1Mil Insurance policy that covers any "mistakes" that I
might have caused, however.
(don't you?)
Butt, being a professional, I don't MAKE mistakes, and never will, or have!

You see, when I look for the best place to mount, I LOOK at and KNOW
what I am mounting on, or too!
That's a major part of the job.
Don't you do that?

YOU said that YOU posted to a car port with huge oversized centers that
were prone to SAG! (heh heh heh.. LOSER!)
I use BRACES that support!



If you don't, you
do realize you're liable for any damage done from any roof
leaks caused by mounting bolts penetrating the roof, eh?

Duh.
Ever heard of ROOF CAULKING and flashing?
I don't cause or make leaks!
You see, I am a professional that takes EVERYTHING into account,
BEFORE I mount a system!
And yes, I have mounted MANY a system to those pesky
http://images.oldhouseweb.com/storie...0/spanish1.jpg as well!
(those are tough!)

Still working after all these years!


So tell me how YOU only mount to metal!


Nothing wrong with installing one into siding, I do it all
the time. Siding mounts tend to have less problems than roof
mounts.

I agree.
... unless the lawn man hits them with his head!

"Roof Waivers?
What the hell is that?
I have to assume that you believe that dishes can't be installed
succesfully and last for many many years, just because YOU have never
dine it right... right?

My mentor taught me that professionals don't install dishes
on wood/shingle roofs unless the customer demands it and
only if service is unobtainable by mounting the dish
elsewhere. If you were a professional you'd know what
a roof waiver is. I can only assume since you don't,
you're a jackleg, even if you've been installing dishes
for many years. Unless you were being facetious....?

If you know HOW to install a 36"(one meter) dish properly in the first
place, you don't "need no stinkin' waivers"!
I do have a 1Mil Insurance policy that covers any "mistakes" that I
might have caused, however.
(don't you?)
Butt, being a professional, I don't MAKE mistakes, and never will, or have!

I'm in a sparsely populated area (35,000 year-round residents)
and there isn't enough work here to cover one year's worth of
million-dollar insurance. The companies and customers I deal
with accept me without insurance or they hire a newbie who is
going to go broke buying all the trade memberships and insurance.
Four jobs a month isn't going to pay for a million-dollar insurance
policy. Before you start laughing your butt off and saying that
four installs a month doesn't qualify anyone as a professional,
8 years ago when Primestar was still in business, and DishNet and
DirecTV were new, I was installing four systems a day 6 days a week,
so although I don't do many systems these days, I've done hundreds
in the recent past. It's not because I don't get called back. It's
because the area is saturated. There are no more interested customers.
And I don't do DirecTV or DishNet any more. Their policies made
them rich at the expense of their installer base. Unless they've
changed their rules, I don't see how anyone can make money being
an installer for them these days. There are darned few foreigners
here these days, and that's my entire business.

You see, when I look for the best place to mount, I LOOK at and KNOW
what I am mounting on, or too!
That's a major part of the job.
Don't you do that?

In hurricane alley where I am, there's more to knowing what you're
mounting on. You have to know that it will withstand 125MPH winds.
Most 76 and 95Cm dish mounts are so crappy they'll give out before
the material underneath, but then customers blame you for a crappy
job anyhow, so you have to add additional bracing on all dishes
here if you expect to keep a good reputation.

YOU said that YOU posted to a car port with huge oversized centers that
were prone to SAG! (heh heh heh.. LOSER!)
I use BRACES that support!

That particular job was done that way due to tree obstructions
that were beyond the customer's control. The ONLY place a signal
was obtainable was where I mounted the dish. Nowhere else would
work. Why do you feel the need to call others names? Does this
help your over-inflated ego?

If you don't, you
do realize you're liable for any damage done from any roof
leaks caused by mounting bolts penetrating the roof, eh?

Duh.
Ever heard of ROOF CAULKING and flashing?

Caulking doesn't last here. There has yet any caulking to be
manufactured that will stand up to the heat and sun and salt
air we get. Forget flashing, it rusts away in 5 years. Black
Mammy is the only thing that works, and even it is only
temporary.

I don't cause or make leaks!
You see, I am a professional that takes EVERYTHING into account,
BEFORE I mount a system!
And yes, I have mounted MANY a system to those pesky
http://images.oldhouseweb.com/storie...0/spanish1.jpg as well!
(those are tough!)

Still working after all these years!


I've seen those type of tiles in Thailand. We don't have them here.

You had better check with the companies you're contracting with
to install their dishes. Most of them REQUIRE roof waivers if
that's the type of installation you're doing.

I hope you're installing in my area. I need more work straightening
out the messes other installers make. It's easy money. I can tell
how proud you are of the work you do. You don't even sign your
post with your name or the name of your company. Professional?
Probably NOT!

I suspect you're a sub-20 year old who thinks he knows it all.
Probably fresh out of high school. Take it from someone who's
been around the race track a few times, you're going nowhere
in life with your attitude! I have better things to do with my
time than debate with a juvenile, so, see-ya.

-Web Williams
Ethnic Satellite Service
Myrtle Beach, SC
843-655-5961