BBC Points-Of-View Promise on DOGs - Is my recollection correct?

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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Bob Adams wrote:
In message , Heracles Pollux
writes
DOGs = Our channel is not unique, competes with commercial satellite
channels, does not carry distinct content, and our customers are
forced to pay for us by bundle.

On a similar theme, is it possible to 'turn off' the lady doing the
sign language? She totally ruined a film on C4 I videoed in the early
hours last week. :-(

No, that's part of the broadcast signal and would be there even if you
had received it via terrestial analog. Usually such films are broadcast
at antisocial hours (like the one you recorded) and generally they are
repeats of something broadcast 'normally' earlier.

That may be correct in theory. However, I have noticed several weeks ago
that the repeat of Home & Away on Channel 5 at 12 noon, Monday to Friday,
included sign language on Sky Digital (105) - but no sign language on
Terrestrial TV. I don't know whether that was a "one-off".

It's fairly common for programmes to be sent out signed on digital and
unsigned on analogue. Gives you a choice unless you are digital only.

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Max Demian

Adrian A wrote:

wrote:
Can anyone confirm whether my recollection of events around the time
of the introduction of digital satellite is correct:

I seem to remember that when digital satellite was introduced the BBC
put DOGS on BBC 1 and BBC 2. There was then a mass of complaints to
the BBC Show "Points of View" (hosted by Anne Robinson at the time)
asking for the DOGs to be removed and after a couple of weeks or so
the BBC bowed to public pressure and did this and a statement was
made on Points Of View saying that DOGs would not be re-introduced on
BBC1 and BBC2.

1. Did I dream this or does anyone else remember this happening?
2. Did anyone record the POV show where this promised was made?

The reason I ask is that:
- This shows that consumers don't like DOGs (as they BBC seems to
deny this)
- The BBC do seem to be going back on their promise as there are now
sometimes DOGS on BBC 2 (for example 'BBC 4 on BBC 2)
- This shows the effectiveness of mass complaints

Cheers,


David

I know what you described happened on terrestial digital, I can only assume
the same applied to satellite at the time.
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Adrian
Thanks for the replies everyone. It seems to topic has gone a bit off
track, but it seems one person (Adrian) has confirmed my re-collection
is correct at least for terrestrial digital TV. Now I wonder if there
is some kind of archive of broadcast TV, in a similar way to the fact
that there are newspaper archives at the library?

David

Phil Cook wrote:

wrote:

- The BBC do seem to be going back on their promise as there are now
sometimes DOGS on BBC 2 (for example 'BBC 4 on BBC 2)

I have seen BBC 2 DOGed in the very early morning, indeed I have just
checked and there it is: "BBC TWO" on the overnight Workskills
programe.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Such is public distaste for DOGS I suspect it won't be long before you
can buy a device that digitally edits out the logo, filling in the
missing parts of the picture by 'best guessing' the content. I
understand that this technique is used to fill in the gaps when
restoring old films. I'm sure some bright spark can make a fortune by
manufacturing such a DOG remover.

David

Dave wrote:

Thanks for the replies everyone. It seems to topic has gone a bit off
track, but it seems one person (Adrian) has confirmed my re-collection
is correct at least for terrestrial digital TV. Now I wonder if there
is some kind of archive of broadcast TV, in a similar way to the fact
that there are newspaper archives at the library?

from...

http://www.bfi.org.uk/nftva/enquiries.html

"The National Film and Television Archive has recorded all programmes
transmitted on BBC1 and BBC2 since August 1990"

How you would find it is a different matter!

Someone at http://logofreetv.org/ might have a copy. Try asking in the
forum.

Cheers,
David.

Max Demian wrote:

It's fairly common for programmes to be sent out signed on digital
and unsigned on analogue. Gives you a choice unless you are digital
only.

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the *same*
programme, e.g. on BBC1 at 0200, will be signed on BBC1 digital and
unsigned on BBC1 analogue?

André Coutanche

André Coutanche wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

It's fairly common for programmes to be sent out signed on digital
and unsigned on analogue. Gives you a choice unless you are digital
only.

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the *same*
programme, e.g. on BBC1 at 0200, will be signed on BBC1 digital and
unsigned on BBC1 analogue?

0200 is sometimes "sign zone", and signed on both.

However, some repeats - even some in the daytime - on most (all?) PSB
channels carry signing in-vision on DTT, but not on analogue.

Cheers,
David.

wrote:
André Coutanche wrote:
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the *same*
programme, e.g. on BBC1 at 0200, will be signed on BBC1 digital and
unsigned on BBC1 analogue?

0200 is sometimes "sign zone", and signed on both.

However, some repeats - even some in the daytime - on most (all?)
PSB channels carry signing in-vision on DTT, but not on analogue.

Thanks, David. It's news to me that there are separate programme
streams on digital and analogue - and potentially slightly worrying!

André Coutanche

"André Coutanche" wrote in message
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Max Demian wrote:

It's fairly common for programmes to be sent out signed on digital
and unsigned on analogue. Gives you a choice unless you are digital only.

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the *same*
programme, e.g. on BBC1 at 0200, will be signed on BBC1 digital and
unsigned on BBC1 analogue?



happens sometimes.
a couple of years back there was a prime time 9pm show on channel 4 (sex
and the city?) which was signed on digital but not analogue.
after 2 weeks the sign language mysteriously disappeared.



--
Gareth.
A french man who wanted a castle threw his cat into a pond.
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

Dave wrote:
Such is public distaste for DOGS I suspect it won't be long before you
can buy a device that digitally edits out the logo, filling in the
missing parts of the picture by 'best guessing' the content. I
understand that this technique is used to fill in the gaps when
restoring old films. I'm sure some bright spark can make a fortune by
manufacturing such a DOG remover.

I'm surprised this hasn't already been incorporated into decoders. If the
technology became widespread it might even hasten the demise of the wretched
things, to everyone's satisfaction apart from a handful of dimwitted TV
executives.

Hercule ******** wrote:
Firstly I will not pay the TV Licence whilst the BBC uses DOGs nor
watch DOG disfigured services.

That's your latest excuse for your criminality, is it?

Have you told the electors yet?