Does Sky+ work without the subscription?

Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky on Tue, 4 Jul 2006, Mark A wrote :



Not unless you've cracked Sky's protection. Which no one has, as far
as I know. And should you ever do so, expect an exceptionaly prompt
response from Sky's rottweiler-like legal dept.


Would anyone smart enough to do so, be dumb enough to tell them?

Of course, they could try blackmail - 'If you try to prosecute me, I'll
post the hack all over the internet'...

Academic, I suggest. I shouldn't think they would care if every
individual capable of doing this, did so - as long as they kept it to
themselves. The loss in revenue would be insignificant.

However, the whole point, IIUC, about Sky encryption isn't that it is
"uncrackable". It is that, as soon as anyone does put the effort in and
tries to recoup that investment in time by selling something, or just
publishes the hack, they will just change the algorithm and, at most,
have to issue new cards. Making all that effort a waste of time.

That is one of the reasons why, IMHO, they are so reluctant to allow
others to design Sky hardware. They would lose the freedom to just
change the algorithms and/or cards, at will.

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Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky on Tue, 4 Jul 2006, Mark A wrote :



Not unless you've cracked Sky's protection. Which no one has, as far
as I know. And should you ever do so, expect an exceptionaly prompt
response from Sky's rottweiler-like legal dept.
Would anyone smart enough to do so, be dumb enough to tell them?
Of course, they could try blackmail - 'If you try to prosecute me,
I'll post the hack all over the internet'...

Academic, I suggest. I shouldn't think they would care if every
individual capable of doing this, did so - as long as they kept it to
themselves. The loss in revenue would be insignificant.

However, the whole point, IIUC, about Sky encryption isn't that it is
"uncrackable". It is that, as soon as anyone does put the effort in and
tries to recoup that investment in time by selling something, or just
publishes the hack, they will just change the algorithm and, at most,
have to issue new cards. Making all that effort a waste of time.

That is one of the reasons why, IMHO, they are so reluctant to allow
others to design Sky hardware. They would lose the freedom to just
change the algorithms and/or cards, at will.


Record to DVD low quality 6hours per DVD and watch later, no probs.
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Tony Dixon

Tony Dixon wrote:
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Paul Hyett wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky on Tue, 4 Jul 2006, Mark A wrote :



Not unless you've cracked Sky's protection. Which no one has, as far
as I know. And should you ever do so, expect an exceptionaly prompt
response from Sky's rottweiler-like legal dept.
Would anyone smart enough to do so, be dumb enough to tell them?
Of course, they could try blackmail - 'If you try to prosecute me,
I'll post the hack all over the internet'...

Academic, I suggest. I shouldn't think they would care if every
individual capable of doing this, did so - as long as they kept it to
themselves. The loss in revenue would be insignificant.

However, the whole point, IIUC, about Sky encryption isn't that it is
"uncrackable". It is that, as soon as anyone does put the effort in
and tries to recoup that investment in time by selling something, or
just publishes the hack, they will just change the algorithm and, at
most, have to issue new cards. Making all that effort a waste of time.

That is one of the reasons why, IMHO, they are so reluctant to allow
others to design Sky hardware. They would lose the freedom to just
change the algorithms and/or cards, at will.


Record to DVD low quality 6hours per DVD and watch later, no probs.

That's probably why no one seems to have put the effort req'd into
cracking it. The cost of DVD media and I'd trust a DVD over a regularly
used HD for long term storage.
I was thinking more for 'lost' recordings. Recently my sky+ box
switched itself off whilst I was watching a recorded prog. The light
simply went red. After about 2 mins I switched the box on and the
recorded program was in the planner but couldn't be viewed, only
deleted. Not sure what the problem was, I presume I didn't put the
power back in properly after I re-booted it.
I have since managed to re-record the prog.these repeats are purely a
customer service I'm sure.


Mike

Palindr?me wrote:

That is one of the reasons why, IMHO, they are so reluctant to allow
others to design Sky hardware. They would lose the freedom to just
change the algorithms and/or cards, at will.

No. It is just as easy to change CAM firmware as to change the
firmware in a regular Sky digibox. Indeed the regular Sky digibox
basically just contains an embedded CAM.

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