MOBILE HDTV

http://www.dvb.org/documents/newslet...B-SCENE-08.pdf

"However, with the latest diversity technology, reception has been
demonstrated in most of the Sydney service area. Signals were reliably
received as far away as 40 km from the transmitter at speeds of up to
120 kph. At these modes the demonstration showed it is perfectly
feasible to receive mobile HD.

However, there clearly is no business case for such services. It also
showed that using 16QAM (which is the preferred mobile mode for DVB-T)
with diversity reception can deliver absolute reliability."

I disagree with the article, 64QAM is fine.

Remember this is with MPEG2. When used with AVC, VP6 or WM9 it is
possible to do two HDTV programs in one 6 MHz channel mobile.

Interpret mobile reception as very good reception where ever you are if
you don't think there is any market for HD mobile.

Of course IMO saying there is no market for mobile HD will look just as
silly as saying there is no market for copy machines, more than five
computers in the world or toothpaste.

It is obvious that people will want the best quality where ever they are
if it is possible. Examples will include glasses that give you an HD
experience and even back seat HD screens in cars.

But most importantly it is just the ease of reception that makes COFDM
DVB-T the modulation the choice of the world soon to include Korea.

Take a look at this portable TV and think 40 inches portable with no
visible antennas. This is only 17" but 40" will be available in 10 months.

Just think of what it would be like to not have to even think about the
antenna. Just plug and play.

http://www.followmedia-tv.com/

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...
http://www.dvb.org/documents/newslet...B-SCENE-08.pdf

Take a look at this portable TV and think 40 inches portable with no
visible antennas. This is only 17" but 40" will be available in 10 months.

Just think of what it would be like to not have to even think about the
antenna. Just plug and play.

http://www.followmedia-tv.com/

Do you know if they make an 8VSB model for the United States?

Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...

http://www.dvb.org/documents/newslet...B-SCENE-08.pdf

Take a look at this portable TV and think 40 inches portable with no
visible antennas. This is only 17" but 40" will be available in 10 months.

Just think of what it would be like to not have to even think about the
antenna. Just plug and play.

http://www.followmedia-tv.com/


Do you know if they make an 8VSB model for the United States?



You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...
Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...

http://www.dvb.org/documents/newslet...B-SCENE-08.pdf

Take a look at this portable TV and think 40 inches portable with no
visible antennas. This is only 17" but 40" will be available in 10
months.

Just think of what it would be like to not have to even think about the
antenna. Just plug and play.

http://www.followmedia-tv.com/


Do you know if they make an 8VSB model for the United States?



You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.

Yes Bob I was kidding. I guess your post was directed at Europeans because
that television will NEVER work in the United States.

Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
nk.net...

Charles Tomaras wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
hlink.net...


http://www.dvb.org/documents/newslet...B-SCENE-08.pdf

Take a look at this portable TV and think 40 inches portable with no
visible antennas. This is only 17" but 40" will be available in 10

months.

Just think of what it would be like to not have to even think about the
antenna. Just plug and play.

http://www.followmedia-tv.com/


Do you know if they make an 8VSB model for the United States?



You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.


Yes Bob I was kidding. I guess your post was directed at Europeans because
that television will NEVER work in the United States.


Works here right now.

Bob Miller wrote in message ink.net...
You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.

http://www.avkorea.co.kr/Datas/Forum/992562354.avi (6 MB)

BTW, this mobile reception was made possible by LG's 5th gen 8VSB
chipset prototype, and will improve even further as the chipset is
tuned before the release. This chipset supposely kills the poor indoor
reception issue once and for all.

Bob Miller wrote in message news:UzoMb.3723

You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.

****, wrong clip posted.

mms://www.digital-tv.or.kr/hd_001-002.wmv

IHATEF15 wrote:
Bob Miller wrote in message news:UzoMb.3723

You are kidding right? This is a joke.

8-VSB was designed for a 30 ft directional antenna. For fixed reception.
No mobile, no portable and no four antennas working in unison with
multipath signals.

No ubiquitous take it anywhere plug and play reception.

This type of technology is just a little part of what you give up when
you chose 8-VSB. What you gain I have no idea. I guess lots of royally
money if you are LG Ind.


****, wrong clip posted.

mms://www.digital-tv.or.kr/hd_001-002.wmv

I have responded to this clip before. Good that you preface it with the
statement that it is going to get better because this is not very good.

You take a nice smooth ride on an expressway and your video breaks up
constantly in regular traffic and under every overpass. What would
happen if you took it into those built up area along the freeway?

Totally unacceptable for a mobile service.

Is it really 8-VSB anyway? If it is, is it compatible with current
receivers in the US and Korea? If not is it EVSB or 2-VSB or DMB-T which
is also being used in Korea?

And then there is the credibility factor. The lies that were told as far
back as 1999 that all indoor and mobile reception problems were totally
solved with 8-VSB chip sets then in prototype just brings back memories
of past BS.

And then there were the fraudulent and secret MSTV test in the US.

To tell you the truth I would not believe anything that anyone
associated with 8-VSB told me about anything.

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
k.net...

Works here right now.


I guess what I should have said is that there won't ever be a wide scale
commercial signal for it in the United States because we have a different
modulation standard here.

Bob Miller wrote in message news:t2MMb.5465$

You take a nice smooth ride on an expressway and your video breaks up
constantly in regular traffic and under every overpass.

Same goes for COFDM as well. No COFDM system does HD broadcast mobile
reception, only ISDB-T is capable of such a feat within 6 Mhz band.

Is it really 8-VSB anyway?

Yap. The source signal was a commercial 1080i broadcast on air that
day.(An Olympic preliminary baseball game)

If it is, is it compatible with current receivers in the US and Korea?
If not is it EVSB or 2-VSB or DMB-T which is also being used in Korea?

It is a straight 8VSB and not EVSB. People were watching the same game
at home while LG was out on the road testing its new 5th gen chipset.

To tell you the truth I would not believe anything that anyone
associated with 8-VSB told me about anything.

So you admit before everyone that you are biased and will not open
your eyes before truth.