Pubs win the right to show football on Saturday afternoons

"HVB" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:25:09 +0100, "loz" wrote:

They don't broadcast live matches on Saturday afternoons.
Only Saturday lunchtimes and early Saturday evening when there are no
other
matches on

Oh! I am surprised. Ta for the info. I still disagree that it would
discourage people from going to matches - there's a world of
difference between being there and merely watching it on TV.

HVB

There is also a world of difference between going to see, say Barnet v
Stockport on a wet and cold saturday in January, or watching , say, Arsenal
v Man Utd in the comfort of your friendly local pub or your house. Thats
what they are worried about, not people choosing to watch the Arsenal game
on tv instead of going to it. Even if only 500-1,000 people at the Barnet
game decided to watch the premiership game instead, that would probably make
the difference over a season between breaking even and going under for those
kind of clubs.

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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
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I don't suppose Sky are happy about it either. I heard on the radio that
Sky charge pubs around £2000 a month to show sports and this guy was
getting the football from the Greek company for about £500 a YEAR.


Its also very likely that the deal that the FA have with the greek company
specifically excludes that co from showing it outside of greece,and
certainly not in the UK, so I would expect them to be either shutting that
contract down or not renewing it iof there is a loophole that lets them
show it. SKy would have paid extra money to the FA for exclusivity.

Didn't the EU want to break that exclusive deal though and force the FA into
allowing more competition?
If EU laws were a level playing field that competition could come from
anywhere in the EU, not just the UK.

So the Greeks might then turn to the EU

Loz

"Sean Black" wrote in message
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In article , HVB
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:09 +0100, "loz" wrote:

"HVB" wrote in message
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How would it be in the FA's interest to prevent pubs from showing live
matches on a Saturday? Just curious.

For the same reason they have done so since coverage of football began on
TV
decades ago
To protect gate receipts at football grounds.
They fear that showing top Premiership matches live on TV on Saturday
will
stop football fans going to live football matches in the lower divisions.

But they allow Sky to broadcast live matches to subscribers and/or PPV
customers? I don't get Sky Sports or Premiership Plus, so I don't
know what they show.

Sounds daft to me. The FA can get their money from Sky wherever the
matches are shown.

Last time I wanted to go to a football match, the response was "sorry,
season ticket holders only - and then if we have any tickets left
they'll be sold to fan club members before the general public." "Are
you likely to have any left after the season ticket holders and fan
club members have bought their tickets?" "No."

That may be the case with some Premiership clubs (I would suspect no more
than half) but not in the lower leagues.
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Sean Black

Got to agree, quite a few of the recent premiership games I've seen on the
TV have had a lot of empty seats, obviously well into the thousands. Wigan
appear only ever to be about 2/3 full. Once you get below the top 5 or 6,
plus Newcastle and Pompey, they will all have plenty of vacancies.

When I was going to Reading earlier this season (before it looked like they
were going to be promoted) and previous seasons, they were getting 11-12,000
for midweek games, which is about 50%, and well under 20,000 for saturday
matches.

OTOH the only Chelsea game I could get to this season was an early stage
Euro one.
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In uk.media.tv.sky on Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Tumbleweed wrote :

While I don't watch live football, it's always nice to see a big company
being taken down a peg or two.

Its not Sky its the FA that dont want it shown.

Doesn't change my comment, though.
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Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

"Paul Hyett" wrote in message
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In uk.media.tv.sky on Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Zorg wrote :
Pubs win the right to show football on Saturday afternoons

Pubs will be able to screen live Premiership football on Saturday
afternoons in defiance of Sky television bosses under a landmark Crown
Court judgment.

While I don't watch live football, it's always nice to see a big company
being taken down a peg or two.

Quite, It's been a long time cominging :0)

Lots of F1 fans call Bernie Ecclestone an idiot at running it but at least
he ensures it remains FTA and makes sure Sky don't get their *On Sky Sports
only* hands on it.

A shame really the proper idiots that run A-1 sold it to Sky....no wonder
it's not catching on with only the footie hooligan subscribing to Sky Sports
( I've heard all Sky Sports subscribers go automatically onto a police
database where a relative of mine works )
Nice of Sky to let people know.

In uk.media.tv.sky on Wed, 12 Apr 2006, The Wizard wrote :

While I don't watch live football, it's always nice to see a big company
being taken down a peg or two.

Quite, It's been a long time cominging :0)

Lots of F1 fans call Bernie Ecclestone an idiot at running it but at least
he ensures it remains FTA and makes sure Sky don't get their *On Sky Sports
only* hands on it.

Wouldn't bother me in the case of motor racing. If I want to see cars
going round & round in a big circles, I can just watch the local
joyriders on Saturday night.
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Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

"The Wizard" wrote in message
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Lots of F1 fans call Bernie Ecclestone an idiot at running it but at least
he ensures it remains FTA and makes sure Sky don't get their *On Sky
Sports only* hands on it.

Don't make me laugh. F1? Sport?

Loz

Zorg wrote:
Pubs win the right to show football on Saturday afternoons


Pubs will be able to screen live Premiership football on Saturday
afternoons in defiance of Sky television bosses under a landmark Crown
Court judgment.

A judge overturned a conviction against a pub landlord who exploited a
loophole in the law by using the services of a television company
based in Greece.

The Union of European Football Associations had banned publicans from
screening Premiership football between 2.45pm and 5.15pm at the
request of the Football Association Premier League (FAPL).

Brian Gannon, 56, a licensee from Milnrow, near Rochdale, Greater
Manchester, was fined £1,500 under copyright laws and ordered to pay
more than £3,000 in costs for showing matches in the "closed period".
Mr Gannon appealed against the magistrates' court ruling, successfully
arguing that the ban only applied to services originating in
Britainand that there was no "dishonesty" involved because he paid for
the service.

More than 100 licensees are facing similar prosecutions and up to
3,000 pubs have similar satellite-television systems. The ruling by
Judge Robert Warnock at Bolton Crown Court could open the way for tens
of thousands of licensees to screen Premiership games on Saturday
afternoons.

Paul Dixon, Mr Gannon's lawyer, pointed out that while licensees could
pay between £300 and £2,000 a month to BSkyB, they could use foreign
services for about £500 a year. Mr Dixon said: "Prosecutions such as
this are being driven by the FAPL and Sky to protect their commercial
monopolies."

Pubs will be able to screen live Premiership football on Saturday
afternoons in defiance of Sky television bosses under a landmark Crown
Court judgment.

A judge overturned a conviction against a pub landlord who exploited a
loophole in the law by using the services of a television company
based in Greece.

The Union of European Football Associations had banned publicans from
screening Premiership football between 2.45pm and 5.15pm at the
request of the Football Association Premier League (FAPL).

Brian Gannon, 56, a licensee from Milnrow, near Rochdale, Greater
Manchester, was fined £1,500 under copyright laws and ordered to pay
more than £3,000 in costs for showing matches in the "closed period".
Mr Gannon appealed against the magistrates' court ruling, successfully
arguing that the ban only applied to services originating in
Britainand that there was no "dishonesty" involved because he paid for
the service.
More than 100 licensees are facing similar prosecutions and up to
3,000 pubs have similar satellite-television systems. The ruling by
Judge Robert Warnock at Bolton Crown Court could open the way for tens
of thousands of licensees to screen Premiership games on Saturday
afternoons.

Paul Dixon, Mr Gannon's lawyer, pointed out that while licensees could
pay between £300 and £2,000 a month to BSkyB, they could use foreign
services for about £500 a year. Mr Dixon said: "Prosecutions such as
this are being driven by the FAPL and Sky to protect their commercial
monopolies."


Sounds like goon news, but can't seem to find another source to back
this up? Any links to news websites which can confirm?

Regards
Glenn...

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:41:32 +0100, Usenet wrote:

Sounds like goon news, but can't seem to find another source to back
this up? Any links to news websites which can confirm?

Manchester Evening News Friday 31st March

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/me...v_victory.html

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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Nigel Barker wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:41:32 +0100, Usenet wrote:

Sounds like goon news, but can't seem to find another source to back
this up? Any links to news websites which can confirm?

Manchester Evening News Friday 31st March

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/me...v_victory.html

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Good enough for me.

Thanks
Glenn...