Dumping My DVD Collection on Ebay

On 9 Dec 2005 06:30:54 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

OTA HDTV already shows a potential noticeable (to me) increase in
picture quality. HDTV right now suffers from motion artifacting, but i
assume this is from bitrate issue.

Nope. It's the conversion that takes place for the DLP.

I have a CRT style HDTV, and there are NO artifacts EVER.

I go look at even the best FPDs and see it in even simple motion.

General Instrument (the inventors of the HDTV format) used 16
processors on their motion estimator board alone. I know that TVs
cannot incorporate that.

You will all see huge improvements when companies like faroudja (sp)
start using cell cpus in TVs for such things as motion processing for
the down conversion that gets done for DLP renderings. Even a
standard LCD display sports the same problems... but not my CRT.

CRTs STILL RULE! And this is one reason why. NO downconversion!

On 9 Dec 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:


NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.

If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.

This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master. In the latter case, it's likely to look the same as
(or very close to) an upsampled 480p SD DVD (sans macroblocking,
htouhg, right?) Still, for newer movies and latter day movies (some
DVDs tout "From an HD master") it might be worth it. MIGHT.

That is the thing. The telecine studios that do the current
conversion will take even longer to do these conversions and the new
movies always get to butt in line. This means that a LOT of current
media will get re-released from the same masters. That means no
improvement, or none that will be discernable.

And then there's the diminsihing returns for (say) CASABLANCA and that
huge catalog of classic movies that i love.

Having them already on Laser disc and DVD is quite fine. There are
still a few DVDs I have yet to get as replacements for some of my
laser disc titles. There are some that will never get released as
well. Note that the frame stop access discs have yet to be replicated
in DVD form. I have a laser disc of overhead US shots that I know
will never get made on DVD as one can simply log on to google earth to
get even closer views! But when I had that ****er... I had the
****... and was the only one that could show folks their house! I had
many an eye popped moment... :-]

Unlikely that (a) they'll
get to it anytime soon and (b) that it will look any better. But with
a higher bit rate and not macroblocking, maybe it would look better?

I don't know... maybe. With the huge capacity involved, one would
think that they could make discs with no compression at all.

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.

I agree with this sentiment.

My collection was made for a reason. There is no reason or desire
on my part to sell them for a fraction of what I paid for them in some
lame effort to recoup some tid bit of cash to start my next
collection.

I will start said collection (maybe). But my current libraries go
nowhere.

I ALSO have every computer I ever assembled or bought. From my
first to my current. Several thousand dollars worth of gear. Hehe...
you'd know I would pick the one hobby in all the world that has the
worst depreciation rate known to man! Computers!

I do have an original 10MB Tandon Hard drive though. MAYBE one day,
it will be worth something even close to half its original cost of
over $800. Doubtful though.

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:59:54 GMT, Justin Gave
us:

wrote on [8 Dec 2005 19:41:52 -0800]:
It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.

It's a shame Wal-Mart is evil.

True that.

Goro ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master.

Probably not.

Many movies released on laserdisc in the 1990s were from HD masters
(everything THX certified had to be), and almost everything today gets
the same treatment, because it doesn't really cost any more than telecine
to SD.

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NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 06:30:54 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:

OTA HDTV already shows a potential noticeable (to me) increase in
picture quality. HDTV right now suffers from motion artifacting, but i
assume this is from bitrate issue.

Nope. It's the conversion that takes place for the DLP.

I have a CRT style HDTV, and there are NO artifacts EVER.

I go look at even the best FPDs and see it in even simple motion.

General Instrument (the inventors of the HDTV format) used 16
processors on their motion estimator board alone. I know that TVs
cannot incorporate that.

You will all see huge improvements when companies like faroudja (sp)
start using cell cpus in TVs for such things as motion processing for
the down conversion that gets done for DLP renderings. Even a
standard LCD display sports the same problems... but not my CRT.

CRTs STILL RULE! And this is one reason why. NO downconversion!

Wow. Interseting. I DO agree that CRTs (direct view) have better
picture than DLP/LCD/LCos/SCRD/etc and was a major reason i didn't buy
my DLP. BUT the size, weight of CRTs are formidable. The tradeoff is
not so bad, but it is interesting to note that the artifacting i see on
(say) NFL Crowd scenes are a result of the DLPs... I'll have to check
out a CRT HDTV sometime soon.

-goro-

NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 9 Dec 2005 06:37:27 -0800, "Goro" Gave us:


NunYa Bidness wrote:
On 8 Dec 2005 07:07:11 -0800, Gave us:

Well, if he dumped them now, he might get more money out of them. He
won't get near as much in two years when everything HD DVD BR is sorted
out. Of course, if it is more than two years, then well, I guess he
won't have a lot to watch for a while.

If the current resolution of DVDs and *that* library of transfers
took as many years as it did, how long do you think that
re-transferring that same library to a new, higher res, longer capture
time per frame masters will take? There were long lines at the
companies which performed the original DVD library of transfers.

You pretty much screw yourself pitching away titles that you don't
have any clue as to when they will be appearing in the new format.

Several years, it will take. Many titles will not even get a new
transfer treatment as well. There will simply be a BR or whatever
release of the same source media at no improvement in resolution.
Count on it.

This is too true. The first SEVERAL YEARS of BR, you will have to be
extremely careful when replacing a DVD with a BRDisc. Likely, you'll
have to check to see if it's from a HDMaster or whether it's from the
previous master. In the latter case, it's likely to look the same as
(or very close to) an upsampled 480p SD DVD (sans macroblocking,
htouhg, right?) Still, for newer movies and latter day movies (some
DVDs tout "From an HD master") it might be worth it. MIGHT.

That is the thing. The telecine studios that do the current
conversion will take even longer to do these conversions and the new
movies always get to butt in line. This means that a LOT of current
media will get re-released from the same masters. That means no
improvement, or none that will be discernable.

This is also built-in obsolescence which they love so very much. it
actually encourages them to release a huge catalog with inferior
masters so that they can provide an IMPROVED IMAGE SE version later.
You know they had to be loving the Non-anamorphic to Anamorphic
crossover.

And then there's the diminsihing returns for (say) CASABLANCA and that
huge catalog of classic movies that i love.

Having them already on Laser disc and DVD is quite fine. There are
still a few DVDs I have yet to get as replacements for some of my
laser disc titles. There are some that will never get released as
well. Note that the frame stop access discs have yet to be replicated
in DVD form. I have a laser disc of overhead US shots that I know
will never get made on DVD as one can simply log on to google earth to
get even closer views! But when I had that ****er... I had the
****... and was the only one that could show folks their house! I had
many an eye popped moment... :-]

That is cool as hell. CAV LDs regardless of the material were
inherently eye-popping to most people who've only seen VHS.

My LD jewels were Crtierion Kurosawa THE BAD SLEEP WELL and
DODES'KA-DEN as well as FIRES ON THE PLAINS and THE BURMESE HARP.
ALso, a gold disc DRUNKEN MASTER II with original soundtrack and
ending, and FIST OF LEGEND. A few more rare ones and some of which
I've sold for quite a bit. I like HAVING them, but I rarely pull out
my CLD-79 to watch any of them.

Unlikely that (a) they'll
get to it anytime soon and (b) that it will look any better. But with
a higher bit rate and not macroblocking, maybe it would look better?

I don't know... maybe. With the huge capacity involved, one would
think that they could make discs with no compression at all.

That's what I'm hoping. Espeically in the case of TV shows. I mean, I
love video quality and the more prisitne the video, the better, BUT,
I've also goten used to watching Xvids on my tv. 720MB/hr. I do
notice the downgraded image quality, but for tv shows, i don't midn too
much. For movies... a bit more.

As an aside, you know there are actually a few DVD5s out there. Or at
least DVDs where the movie itself fits on a DVD5. Sony's STEAMBOY and
Dreamwork's TOKYO GODFATHERS dvds occur to me off the top of my head
and I believe also BELLEVILLE RENDEZVOUS. STEAMBOY in particular
deserves a Superbit-type full bitrate presentation.

While i'm at it, i'd like to see edge-enhancement go away or at least
be an option. There are some cases where it's quite noticeable and
irritating (yes, i have sharpness turned nearly all the way down on the
tv). THE RIGHT STUFF and Tetsuya Kumakawa's SLEEPING BEAUTY ballet are
notable, iirc.

You are screwing yourself to dump a collection of discs because
something new will be coming out. Especially when you don't even know
the time line for it.

DVDs are going to be around for quite a while, and they are quite
high enough in resolution for nearly all applications.

I agree with this sentiment.

My collection was made for a reason. There is no reason or desire
on my part to sell them for a fraction of what I paid for them in some
lame effort to recoup some tid bit of cash to start my next
collection.

Much of my collection is a "collection." I have my beloved Criterions.
Truffaut, Kurosawa, Bergman. There's alot of Foreign films which i
love, like Patrice Leconte stuff and the stuff from Korea. ANd some tv
shows that i love like FUTURAMA, BATMAN TAS, FREAKS AND GEEKS, etc.
But I've somehow managed to get a bunch of DVDs of movies that I've
only watched once and don't really want to watch again. I think i
bought them in a form of video-rental. I wanted to watch it so i
bought it instead of renting it (stupidly).

I will start said collection (maybe). But my current libraries go
nowhere.

DVD-BRD will be a very long migration process for me. It might be so
long that i endup on whatever format follows BRD.

-goro-

Not positive but I think I remember seeing Red Dragon in the bin at walmart
for 2 for $11, so that would be 5.50. But again, not positive, dug through
it for bout 30-40 minutes and saw MANY different movies.


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It's spelled "Wal-Mart" and their website has Red Dragon for $10.87.
This does not mean the other poster was wrong, as their stores and
website often have different pricing. It's too bad you never visit
Wal-Mart, because they have some really great DVD deals, especially on
movies.

-beaumon





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"Goro" wrote in message
oups.com...
i can understand your sentiment, but isn't that basically ALL tv sets?
I'm only aware of 2 HDTVs that take native 1080p in (HP DLP and there's
one LCD, iirc). Top of the line Sony SXRD ($10k) doesn't. And 1080p
is not even quite "complete" as a format, is it? IIRC, currently 1080p
exists only in 24,25,30 fps and not the usual 50 or 60.

What usual 50 or 60 fps? No material is transmitted at 60 fps. Current TV is
transmitted at 60 FIELDS per second, not 60 frames. And since we're talking
1080p (as in PROGRESSIVE), the transmission will necessarily be frames not
fields.

"Allan" [email protected] .org wrote in
message ...
That's because DVD's now cost half as much as they did 5 years ago.

All DVD's... interesting claim.

New Sin City is $26.... don't remember paying $52 a year ago.

He wrote 5 years, not one year.

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:40:32 GMT, NunYa Bidness
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:49:41 -0500, Allan
[email protected] b.org Gave us:


Never been in a "Wal-Mart" ... and I no longer buy DVD's... so....

Ever been over a 40 IQ?

What... your mother getting over time at Wal-mart this week?






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