The 1080p Input Question

Novice here has another question. On the 1080p sets out there, do I
understand correctly that even though they upconvert a signal to 1080p
and will take the signal of 1080p if it came from OTA or cable, that:

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.


It is number two that I am asking about. I understand there is no
bandwidth, no tv, no programming, etc. for number one. But if these
televisions have no input for 1080p, then what is the point? Simply
that they can display 1080i upconverted to 1080p? With no possibility
of actually using sources that are native 1080p such as BluRay, HD-DVD,
or the Playstation 3? Supposedly there are about two sets out there
that have these inputs. I hate to be negative here, but isn't this
just a marketing ploy and bordering on a misrepresentation or playing
on our ignorance? There is already and information overload in the
whole HDTV thing...Thanks. I can't imaging paying $4000 for a
television that is 1080p only to discover I can't use it properly.

You are correct.

The only LCD that will take a 1080p input is the Sharp that has the
outboard tuner and switcher. You disconnect it and feed your 1080p in
it's place. Not very useful, but it works.

All the DLPs are pseudo 1080p. Better called 576p.

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Novice here has another question. On the 1080p sets out there, do I
understand correctly that even though they upconvert a signal to 1080p
and will take the signal of 1080p if it came from OTA or cable, that:

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.


It is number two that I am asking about. I understand there is no
bandwidth, no tv, no programming, etc. for number one. But if these
televisions have no input for 1080p, then what is the point? Simply
that they can display 1080i upconverted to 1080p? With no possibility
of actually using sources that are native 1080p such as BluRay, HD-DVD,
or the Playstation 3? Supposedly there are about two sets out there
that have these inputs. I hate to be negative here, but isn't this
just a marketing ploy and bordering on a misrepresentation or playing
on our ignorance? There is already and information overload in the
whole HDTV thing...Thanks. I can't imaging paying $4000 for a
television that is 1080p only to discover I can't use it properly.

wrote:
Novice here has another question. On the 1080p sets out there, do I
understand correctly that even though they upconvert a signal to 1080p
and will take the signal of 1080p if it came from OTA or cable, that:

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.

It is number two that I am asking about. I understand there is no
bandwidth, no tv, no programming, etc. for number one. But if these
televisions have no input for 1080p, then what is the point? Simply
that they can display 1080i upconverted to 1080p? With no possibility
of actually using sources that are native 1080p such as BluRay, HD-DVD,
or the Playstation 3? Supposedly there are about two sets out there
that have these inputs. I hate to be negative here, but isn't this
just a marketing ploy and bordering on a misrepresentation or playing
on our ignorance? There is already and information overload in the
whole HDTV thing...Thanks. I can't imaging paying $4000 for a
television that is 1080p only to discover I can't use it properly.

From what I have read, many of the so-called 1080p HDTVs can NOT
accept a 1080p signal, except possibly a 1080p24 or p30 rate and this is
unclear, through the HDMI port. Yes, there are no 1080p sources
available at the moment except perhaps a HT PC setup. But all of these
microdisplay technologies - LCD, DLP, LCOS, plasma (1920x1080 on the
way) - are inherently progressive. So when the pixel resolution is
1920x1080, they will call the TV 1080p.

For anyone who really wants a 1080p HD TV for future proof with the
plan of getting a 1080p24 Blue-Ray player or maybe a 1080p60 game
station, I would recommend they wait for the next round of models which
should start showing up in the latter half of 2006. By then, the HDMI
chipsets and internal scaler hardware will be more likely to fully
support 1080p input and display.

This all said, in my opinion, 720p and 1080i HD TV looks damn good.
Unless you get a really big screen, you won't see that much of an
advance in picture quality with a true 1080p signal and display. Don't
obsess too much on the 1080p spec.

Alan F

Well, I am trying not to obsess, but I am looking at 60" sets. I find
the marketing dishonest...sort of.

afiggatt ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
From what I have read, many of the so-called 1080p HDTVs can NOT
accept a 1080p signal, except possibly a 1080p24 or p30 rate and this is
unclear, through the HDMI port. Yes, there are no 1080p sources
available at the moment except perhaps a HT PC setup.

The Sony LCoS sets can handle 1920x1080/60p through the VGA port for
sure, and the specs appear to indicate that the HDMI ports also handle
it. There is no indication of whether the component video inputs can deal
with it.

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What about a VGA to HDMI conversion? No sound but you can use audio
for that. Would that work? Do you consider that a "hack"? I feel
like it is.

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What about a VGA to HDMI conversion? No sound but you can use audio
for that. Would that work? Do you consider that a "hack"? I feel
like it is.

VGA is analog. HDMI is a digital interface which is effectively a
superset of DVI-D (see www.hdmi.org for basic info). Not a easy "hack"
at all.

Alan F

Then one might regret very much if they buy a "1080p" television
because they will never be able to truly use it. It has not input for
it.

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.

I thought VGA supports any resolutions your source and monitor can support
and agree on. That's probably why all the 1080p sets I looked at have VGA
inputs. I think DVI and HDMI should be able to do that too, as long as you
can find a source. Currently 1080p sources are hard to find. Of course,
computer is one of them.

I understand the Sony can take 1080p at the 60 frame rate through the HDMI.
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afiggatt ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
From what I have read, many of the so-called 1080p HDTVs can NOT
accept a 1080p signal, except possibly a 1080p24 or p30 rate and this is
unclear, through the HDMI port. Yes, there are no 1080p sources
available at the moment except perhaps a HT PC setup.

The Sony LCoS sets can handle 1920x1080/60p through the VGA port for
sure, and the specs appear to indicate that the HDMI ports also handle
it. There is no indication of whether the component video inputs can deal
with it.

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Jeff Rife |
| http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/RhymesW...ge/BigDogs.gif