Update 2: The BBC Intergrated Media Player trial and DRM......how to hack?

"steve" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:31:20 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:


"Peter" wrote in message
...
In case anyone is still interested, I just want to confirm that
the 'BBC
IMP' trial that allows users to download DRM protected BBC
programmes
shown in the last week, can indeed be hacked!

So you admit to being a common criminal then?...

snip

.......actually works with the BBC trial! Pay particular
attention
to

...the Copyrights laws...

[ the rest of your criminal activities snipped ]

What is the difference between that and recording a DTT stream on a
PC/PVR
or just recording to VHS and keeping if for over a week.

Copyright applies to content regardless of how it is delivered.


I suggest you read up on what the OP is talking about before you make
more of a twit out of yourself!

iMP and it's DRM protected content allows for a time-shift (that's
why it's being developed), there is no need or point in 'hacking' the
system, unless you intend to flout copyright laws. I must say that I
prefer the proposal for the 'play once' content management system -
just in case someone has a legitimate reason for downloading content
and then not being able to watch it until some time afterwards.

In article , Peter says...

I've got the hack working so respond to this thread if you want any
help. The way I approached the hack is as follows:

It seems from the above discussion that the version of Windows XP
software (including the version of Windows Media Player) on your PC is
crucial to success. It also seems apparent that 'messing around' too
much with your PC to get the whole thing to work also risks ****ing up
the whole DRM functionality on your PC and you could end up having to
do a reinstall of Windows XP.

So the 'safe' approach that worked for me was as follows:

1) Get a (pirate?) copy of 'VMWare Workstation' from the usual pirate
sources (Usenet or P2P or whatever) . If you don't know what VMWare is
then have a read on www.vmware.com

2) Set VMWare up on your PC.

3) Install one of (I suspect 'any' of) the versions of Windows XP
(with SP2 included) that you can download from warez sources onto a
'virtual machine' in VMWare

4) DO NOT be tempted to install ANY updates to the XP installation
from the Microsoft update website.............don't go there!

5) Follow the instructions on the above forum page (by 'ablade') to
install the necessary software on your VMWare virtual machine.

6) After doing that you should be able to strip the DRM restrictions
from any file you download from the trial with no more than a half a
dozen mouse clicks

Respond to this thread if you have any questions. I will NOT respond
to any 'moral majority' postings!

My opinion?

JESUS ****ING CHRIST. What a long winded way about it.

Assuming at worst you can't just d/l it without installing a Winblows
app...

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.


--
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article , Peter says...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:11:01 GMT, "Carl Waring"
wrote:

Peter wrote:
Respond to this thread if you have any questions. I will NOT respond
to any 'moral majority' postings!

So you *know* you're breaking the law, but don't want to discuss it. I
oresume that that is because you know you could never actually justify your
actions?

I don't want to discuss it because......

1) It bores me rigid

2) I've found from past experience that there is an inverse
correlation between the number of brain cells possessed by people who
are motivated to take the moral high ground in these matters and their
willingness to lecture others. Otherwise discussion on the matter
might be interesting.

3) Where does it get us? You can't stop me posting here and I'm not
going to be affected in any way by your sanctimonious disapproval.
Discussion of the matter is pointless.

So **** off and find someone else stupid enough to engage you and your
kind in moral gymnastics.

So in other words, you refuse to accept you're a thief.

Ok..


--
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:03:15 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:


"steve" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:31:20 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:


"Peter" wrote in message
...
In case anyone is still interested, I just want to confirm that
the 'BBC
IMP' trial that allows users to download DRM protected BBC
programmes
shown in the last week, can indeed be hacked!

So you admit to being a common criminal then?...

snip

.......actually works with the BBC trial! Pay particular
attention
to

...the Copyrights laws...

[ the rest of your criminal activities snipped ]

What is the difference between that and recording a DTT stream on a
PC/PVR
or just recording to VHS and keeping if for over a week.

Copyright applies to content regardless of how it is delivered.


I suggest you read up on what the OP is talking about before you make more
of a twit out of yourself!

iMP and it's DRM protected content allows for a time-shift (that's why
it's being developed), there is no need or point in 'hacking' the system,
unless you intend to flout copyright laws.

IMP is only offering BBC shows a week after broadcast. You fail to state
the difference between removing the DRM and recording off air.

I guess you need to read up on IMP before making a total arse of yourself

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000, Conor
wrote:

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

You might do yourself the small justice of finding out what DRM is
before you post.


Peter

Conor wrote on Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000:

My opinion?

JESUS ****ING CHRIST. What a long winded way about it.

Assuming at worst you can't just d/l it without installing a Winblows
app...

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

Sure, if you find a DRM enabled OSS encoder.

Which you won't.

--
David Taylor

In article , Peter says...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000, Conor
wrote:

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

You might do yourself the small justice of finding out what DRM is
before you post.

I've probably forgotten more about computers than you'll ever know.
Unlike you, clueless ****, I also know that Linux software ignores the
info and no matter what DRM ****e is ever included, Linux will remain
the same. I'd tell you why but, as you think you've stumbled onto some
big 733t hAcK3rZ secret, it's WAY over your head.

Still, you're doing a pretty good job of looking like a completely
clueless **** in this thread so carry on.



--
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

In article , David Taylor says...
Conor wrote on Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000:

My opinion?

JESUS ****ING CHRIST. What a long winded way about it.

Assuming at worst you can't just d/l it without installing a Winblows
app...

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

Sure, if you find a DRM enabled OSS encoder.

Which you won't.

Yet strangely you could do just that with Napster WMA files...


--
Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.

Conor wrote on Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:48 -0000:
In article , Peter says...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000, Conor
wrote:

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

You might do yourself the small justice of finding out what DRM is
before you post.

I've probably forgotten more about computers than you'll ever know.

Perhaps if you remembered some of what you've forgotten, it would be
more useful?

Unlike you, clueless ****, I also know that Linux software ignores the
info and no matter what DRM ****e is ever included, Linux will remain
the same. I'd tell you why but, as you think you've stumbled onto some
big 733t hAcK3rZ secret, it's WAY over your head.

DRM is not "info". They take the data, encrypt it and stuff it in a
file complete with "info", and give it to WMP. WMP then obtains a
"license" (i.e. key) from Microsoft, which it uses to decrypt the
file and play it, until it determines (based on the cryptographically
signed "info") it should stop playing it.

Now, since PC hardware is currently not secure in any sense, it will
always be possible (but not necessarily straightforward) to extract
that key and/or decrypted data in a digital form, between decryption
and playback. The decrypted data can then be copied and played on
Windows or Linux as you please.

It's rather difficult to make an open source player capable of
obtaining such a license and decrypting the file itself, however.

Until Microsoft's wonderous plan for "trusted computing" comes to
fruition (and I sincerely hope it won't), where your O/S will be
digitally signed in order to run on your "trusted" PC, with digital
encrypted outputs preventing you copying the data even once its been
displayed. See HDCP, etc.

Still, you're doing a pretty good job of looking like a completely
clueless **** in this thread so carry on.

You're doing a pretty good job of looking like a clueless **** yourself.
Perhaps if you didn't instantly jump to calling people who (relatively)
politely correct you "clueless ****s", when in fact, you're wrong...

--
David Taylor

Conor wrote on Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:00:32 -0000:
In article , David Taylor says...
Conor wrote on Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:03 -0000:

My opinion?

JESUS ****ING CHRIST. What a long winded way about it.

Assuming at worst you can't just d/l it without installing a Winblows
app...

Download DRM'd file. Copy over LAN to Linux Box. Convert it to whatever
using your favourite OSS encoder.

Sure, if you find a DRM enabled OSS encoder.

Which you won't.

Yet strangely you could do just that with Napster WMA files...

You can't just copy them over to linux and play them with mplayer.

You need to remove the DRM (i.e. encryption) first. The fact that
the encryption will never be 100% secure since you can always attach
a debugger to windows media player and extract the decrypted data
is irrelevant. You need an (illegal, under the DCMA in the US, and
probably something here) DRM removal tool, which either
obtains a license somehow itself and uses it to decrypt the data,
or taps into the data as WMP decrypts it itself.

It's presumably possible to make such a tool to run under Linux,
but it'd require reverse engineering a significant amount of
code. I've never seen one, but that certainly doesn't mean
it doesn't exist.

There is also the possibility that there are DRM schemes out there
which _do_ just wrap the raw data in some pointless file that tells
windows media player (or whatever) not to play it more than X times.
That would be a rather ineffective (but cheap) system. Much better
can certainly be done, but nothing will be uncrackable, unless
hardware support (in development) catches on...

--
David Taylor