Update: The BBC Intergrated Media Player trial and DRM......how to hack?

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
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Indeed. If is so ****ing cwiminal to watch something when you like that
your licence fee has already paid for.

Criminal behaviour should be actions that are deemed anti-social to
society.

Copyright infringement, which is what you are talking about, are merely
anti-social to nazi suit wearing accountants who are trying to squeeze
every bit of profit out of a scarce commodity.

Big difference.


However much sympathy I have for this view the issue is a simple legal and
contractual one. The BBC only has certain rights in its programming.
Performances, composed music, characters and writing are all owned by their
creators, not the BBC which has only secured broadcast rights (and now
rights to provide this material as part of the iMP trial).

If all rights were bought-out in perpetuity the licence fee wouldn't go very
far. We wouldn't get to enjoy many of the programmes we do. Digital rights
management helps to maintain the deals we currently enjoy however irritating
or however easy to circumvent it it may be.

Stephen

":::Jerry::::" wrote:
"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message
[...]
Copyright infringement, which is what you are talking about, are
merely
anti-social to nazi suit wearing accountants who are trying to
squeeze every
bit of profit out of a scarce commodity.

Big difference.

No, it's common theft, and I bet you would be the first to complain
if some low-life decided that they wanted to take money from your
bank account or wage packet.

It's not common theft, nor stealing, nor piracy. The original
owner still has it, no-one is deprived of it and no ships are
taken by force. It's copyright infringement. Stop exaggerating.

It's probably also circumvention of a copy-control, illegal in some
backwards countries for a few years now, but deeply unpopular with
everyone but the largest publishers. Sony prosecuted someone. Not
sure that the BBC has yet. It's a bit silly suing your customers
for things they can do legally with other formats.

--
MJR/slef http://mjr.towers.org.uk/comp/astefaq.txt

"MJ Ray" wrote in message
eenews.net...
":::Jerry::::" wrote:

[ re Copyright infringement ]

No, it's common theft, and I bet you would be the first to
complain
if some low-life decided that they wanted to take money from your
bank account or wage packet.

It's not common theft, nor stealing, nor piracy. The original
owner still has it, no-one is deprived of it and no ships are
taken by force. It's copyright infringement. Stop exaggerating.

snip the rest of your ignorant rant

Which is common theft, say that you made a series of programmes that
are broadcast, and you also marketed DVD's of the series, just how
many DVD sales are you going to loose to the pirate boot legers and
how would you feel about your loss of income?..

As I said, I bet you would soon feel aggrieved if some low-life scum
was (in effect) removing money from your bank account.

":::Jerry::::" wrote:
"MJ Ray" wrote in message
[...]
It's not common theft, nor stealing, nor piracy. The original
owner still has it, no-one is deprived of it and no ships are
taken by force. It's copyright infringement. Stop exaggerating.

snip the rest of your ignorant rant

Which is common theft,

No, it isn't. Go look up theft, then look up copyright infringement,
then stop being so silly and believing everything F*CT tells you.

say that you made a series of programmes that
are broadcast, and you also marketed DVD's of the series, just how
many DVD sales are you going to loose to the pirate boot legers and
how would you feel about your loss of income?..

They're not really pirates and that has almost nothing to do
with breaking the copy-control. There are other reasons to
do that besides making DVDs to sell and it's not acceptable
to restrict the majority of reasonable users. If you want to
prioritise DVD sales, don't broadcast first.

I'm sure if someone welded your car shut and detuned the
engine, you'd be trying to get it cut open.

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:43:41 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:


What bit rates are the TV and radio files encoded at?

Don't know (or care) about radio because you can get that stuff from
the BBC site already.

Doing a right click/properties/summary on a selection of files I
downloaded they seem to vary a lot from 1300 kbps up to 3200 kbps. And
it seems to vary from program to program in the same series (e.g.
Castle in the Country). Strangly enough the file sizes are about the
same; 165Mb for a 30 min programme.


John

On 20 Oct 2005 05:13:25 -0700, "larkim"
wrote:



Well, I can now answer my own question. I've been accepted on the
trial and just received the software......

How did you get on the trial? I couldn't find an "apply here" button
on the iMP website.

Matt

There was a message posted on Usenet somewhere about two months ago
that I replied to.



John

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:55:55 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
.. .
snip details of a crime
been successful. Hopefully someone will eventually put a proper
one-click application together.



Hopefully criminals like you will be publicly flogged to an inch of
your life...


And hopefully some day the human race will rid itself of the 'holier
than thou' brigade that insists on preaching their dubious moral
attitudes about unenforceable (and therefore 'bad') laws at others.

But the amazing thing about people like you is that there are
literally hundreds of newsgroups on Usenet where people post pirated
material and you don't bitch at them. Why not spend the next six
months cackling away to every post on the alt.binaries.*
groups...........you pathetic myopic moron.

Jesus.......I don't know why I even bother.............too much wine
this evening!



John

"MJ Ray" wrote in message
eenews.net...
":::Jerry::::" wrote:
"MJ Ray" wrote in message
[...]
It's not common theft, nor stealing, nor piracy. The original
owner still has it, no-one is deprived of it and no ships are
taken by force. It's copyright infringement. Stop
exaggerating.

snip the rest of your ignorant rant

Which is common theft,

No, it isn't. Go look up theft, then look up copyright
infringement,
then stop being so silly and believing everything F*CT tells you.

So stealing is not theft then?!...


say that you made a series of programmes that
are broadcast, and you also marketed DVD's of the series, just
how
many DVD sales are you going to loose to the pirate boot legers
and
how would you feel about your loss of income?..

They're not really pirates and that has almost nothing to do
with breaking the copy-control. There are other reasons to
do that besides making DVDs to sell and it's not acceptable
to restrict the majority of reasonable users. If you want to
prioritise DVD sales, don't broadcast first.

I'm sure if someone welded your car shut and detuned the
engine, you'd be trying to get it cut open.


You clueless DH, people have the right to use *their* car, you do not
have the right to make a permanent copy of *someone else's* protected
work - read the Copyright Act FFS - the only right you have is to
'Time-shift'.

Edster wrote:
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message [...]
Which is common theft, [snip!]

I don't know which thread you've been reading or what planet you're on, [...]

Planet all-F*CT-up like the cinema and DVDs advertise.

To see Jerry's previous claim of an exact short limit on timeshifting,
see eenews.net
or http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...413cbba99e575d

"Edster" wrote in message
...
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message


"MJ Ray" wrote in message
reenews.net...
":::Jerry::::" wrote:

[ re Copyright infringement ]

No, it's common theft, and I bet you would be the first to
complain
if some low-life decided that they wanted to take money from
your
bank account or wage packet.

It's not common theft, nor stealing, nor piracy. The original
owner still has it, no-one is deprived of it and no ships are
taken by force. It's copyright infringement. Stop exaggerating.

snip the rest of your ignorant rant

Which is common theft, say that you made a series of programmes
that
are broadcast, and you also marketed DVD's of the series, just how
many DVD sales are you going to loose to the pirate boot legers
and
how would you feel about your loss of income?..

As I said, I bet you would soon feel aggrieved if some low-life
scum
was (in effect) removing money from your bank account.


I don't know which thread you've been reading or what planet you're
on, but you seem to be having a fit because a tv tax payer wants to
be
able to watch something they've helped pay for without having an 8
day
time limit being imposed on it. There is nothing unreasonable about
such a desire.

You pay for the right to watch TV, copyright has freck all to do with
any licence fee (or indeed, subscription).


There is no time limit on how long you can keep a recording for
time
shifting purposes, and there is no limit on what medium you can
keep
those recordings on.

Yes their is, read the Copyright Act, what is *reasonable* will be
different is each and every case, for someone who is away on holiday
or business for month then six weeks could well be a reasonable 'time
-shift' period but would be not for someone who was just out shopping
when the programme was broadcast. There are only limited scope for
permanent archiving of copyrighted programmes etc, and even then
those people need express permission form the Statuary of State.