Pin number request for SKY MOVIES recorded

Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY MOVIES
and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a few days
ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another movie, same
thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

"dbf" wrote in message
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Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY MOVIES
and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a few days
ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another movie, same
thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

I think it's a software update that now requires this.

The PIN is usually the last 4 numbers on your card.

I thought you had to be connected to a phone line?

"dbf" wrote in message
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Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY MOVIES
and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a few days
ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another movie, same
thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

From what I understand, the new pin system is used for when you are watching
a certain rated film after certain times. Say for example you recorded an
18 film and you tried to watch it another time pre-watershed, you need your
pin. I think thats right anyway.
Pin is the last 4 digits on your viewing card.

"Beck" wrote in message
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"dbf" wrote in message
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Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY MOVIES
and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a few days
ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another movie, same
thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

From what I understand, the new pin system is used for when you are
watching a certain rated film after certain times. Say for example you
recorded an 18 film and you tried to watch it another time pre-watershed,
you need your pin. I think thats right anyway.
Pin is the last 4 digits on your viewing card.

Yes, it's annoying though as another poster has said - there are no kids in
our household so why should I have to use a PIN number if I want to watch
18-rated stuff during the day? I never used to have to use a PIN number
until the latest software update.

OK that explains a lot....as I tried to watch again later at night and
it worked! This is really stupid.....if people have kids, they can
activate the pin feature, but why apply it to everyone??

In article ,
"Brian Wescombe" wrote:

"Beck" wrote in message
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"dbf" wrote in message
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Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY MOVIES
and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a few days
ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another movie, same
thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

From what I understand, the new pin system is used for when you are
watching a certain rated film after certain times. Say for example you
recorded an 18 film and you tried to watch it another time pre-watershed,
you need your pin. I think thats right anyway.
Pin is the last 4 digits on your viewing card.

Yes, it's annoying though as another poster has said - there are no kids in
our household so why should I have to use a PIN number if I want to watch
18-rated stuff during the day? I never used to have to use a PIN number
until the latest software update.

"dbf" wrote in message
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OK that explains a lot....as I tried to watch again later at night and
it worked! This is really stupid.....if people have kids, they can
activate the pin feature, but why apply it to everyone??

I agree. Its a useful feature but it should be optional. Unless there is
now some new law they are adhering to which we don't know about?

"Beck" wrote
From what I understand, the new pin system is used
for when you are watching a certain rated film after
certain times. Say for example you recorded an
18 film and you tried to watch it another time
pre-watershed, you need your pin. I think thats right
anyway. Pin is the last 4 digits on your viewing card.

Not necessarily.

In our case it was the last 4 digits of our *old* viewing card. Luckily
we still had the paperwork from when we first signed up with Sky and had
the letter that came with the viewing card.

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Thus spaketh Beck:
"dbf" wrote in message
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Today I tried to watch one of the movies I had recorded from SKY
MOVIES and it requested a pin code.....I had started watching one a
few days ago and didn't get this request.....when I tried another
movie, same thing....but my normal shows were not affected....

Is this some new thing???

Any ideas what's causing this?? I don't have a pincode for my system
that I'm aware of as I'm not connected to a phoneline.

From what I understand, the new pin system is used for when you are
watching a certain rated film after certain times. Say for example
you recorded an 18 film and you tried to watch it another time
pre-watershed, you need your pin. I think thats right anyway.
Pin is the last 4 digits on your viewing card.


Unless you were wise enough to change it.


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Thus spaketh Brian Wescombe:
Yes, it's annoying though as another poster has said - there are no
kids in our household so why should I have to use a PIN number if I
want to watch 18-rated stuff during the day? I never used to have to
use a PIN number until the latest software update.


You don't have to use a PIN number (Personal Identification Number Number)
now,
what you do have to use now though is a PIN (Personal Identification Number).


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Thus spaketh Mike Henry:
In , "Beck"
wrote:


"dbf" wrote in message
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OK that explains a lot....as I tried to watch again later at night
and it worked! This is really stupid.....if people have kids, they
can activate the pin feature, but why apply it to everyone??

I agree. Its a useful feature but it should be optional. Unless
there is now some new law they are adhering to which we don't know
about?

Nope. A few people said they'd heard it was an Ofcom requirement,
which probably originated from Sky's call centre idiots. Reading the
regulations it wasn't true though: Ofcom's regulations only cover
broadcasting. Ofcom does not regulate the software features of PVRs,
DVD recorders and VHS machines. (If there was a new law everyone I can
imagine people didn't have a Sky+ having to surrender it to their
nearest Police station in some kind of "bad software" amnesty - Rupert
Murdoch would love that to happen, but we're still some way off from
that!)

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/ifi/codes...ngu18/#content

1.22 Premium subscription film services may broadcast up to BBFC 15-rated
films or their equivalent, at any time of day provided:
there is a protection system (a mandatory PIN or other equivalent protection)
pre 2000 and post 0530, that seeks satisfactorily to restrict access solely to
those authorised to view when material other than BBFC U-rated or PG-rated or
their equivalents is shown; and
those security systems which are in place to protect children are clearly
explained to all subscribers.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2...050525#content


Protecting the Under 18s

This new section lays greater emphasis on rules to safeguard the under 18s,
and in particular children (defined in the Code as the under 15s) who are too
young to exercise fully informed choices for themselves.

Children must be protected by appropriate scheduling - with the use of, for
instance, the watershed - from material that is unsuitable for them.
Children can also be protected by other means, including, for example, PIN
mechanisms. For premium subscription film services, Ofcom believes such
measures provide sufficient security to allow the rules for these services to
be changed. Therefore, provided there is a protection system such as a
mandatory PIN - and that these systems are clearly explained to all
subscribers - premium subscription film services will now be able to broadcast
films which are rated up to a BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) 15
certificate, 24 hours a day. Ofcom believes this will extend viewer choice
whilst ensuring children are properly protected.

However, in the case of adult material with a BBFC R18 certificate (commonly
known as hard-core pornography), Ofcom believes that it is appropriate to take
a more precautionary approach. Research commissioned by Ofcom indicates that
some children in the current environment are able to access and use their
parents'/carers' PIN numbers without these adults' knowledge. Given the
strength of the material - and adopting the precautionary approach - Ofcom is
not satisfied that under 18s can be effectively protected. Therefore, under
the new Code, R18-rated material is not permitted to be broadcast. However, if
future developments enable more secure protection, Ofcom would consider
whether to review this position.


So what is the point on having these restrictions if you can then record the
programme by way of Sky+ for the kids to be able to watch it without the PIN
request, it would seem stupid, therefore Sky have had to enable PIN request on
the playback of such material.