Things Bob might not post

"Richard R" wrote in message
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Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization
and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be complete
by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis. I figure by
2006
that hollywood will still be fighting over copy protection standards for
hdtv, cable and satellite, which will finally be standardized around 2010
so they can actually build HDTV to a single standard. Of course the copy
protection will be broken about 24 hrs after it is introduced and
hollywood
will want to redo the spec.
Richard R.

Yes, the copy protection stuff is a PITA.

I think the transition is doing very well, even beyond the promises.
For example, I have ~30 hours of OTA HDTV recorded on my computer so far.
I'm able to pop a USB drive out and take it to our vacation home.

Compared to the color TV transition, HDTV is a juggernaut. And, the hardware
price drops so far have been amazing.

"John S. Dyson" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Richard R" writes:
Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many
reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization
and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be
complete by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis.

My original predictions (made in 1987) were that AFTER INTRODUCTION,
our new HDTV scheme will take 15yrs to get 1/2 of the market. This
is more similar to ColorTV than VCR take-up. So far, the reality
of the market is that we are approx 3-4 years after introduction.

Relative to my prediction, we are doing BETTER than I had expected.

John

There is absolutely no chance that the 8-VSB modulation could possibly last
for the 15 years that you suggest let alone whatever you expect it will take
to get the other 50%.

The way technology is moving to think that the TV spectrum from channel 2 to
51 would still be afflicted with 8-VSB in 11 more years is ludicrous.

"John S. Dyson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Richard R" writes:
Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many
reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization
and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be
complete by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis.

My original predictions (made in 1987) were that AFTER INTRODUCTION,
our new HDTV scheme will take 15yrs to get 1/2 of the market. This
is more similar to ColorTV than VCR take-up. So far, the reality
of the market is that we are approx 3-4 years after introduction.

Relative to my prediction, we are doing BETTER than I had expected.

John

There is absolutely no chance that the 8-VSB modulation could possibly last
for the 15 years that you suggest let alone whatever you expect it will take
to get the other 50%.

The way technology is moving to think that the TV spectrum from channel 2 to
51 would still be afflicted with 8-VSB in 11 more years is ludicrous.

"Steve Bryan" wrote in message
As Daffy Duck might say, "It is to laugh."

And, thank God we didn't end up with that rickety, frail COFDM system
they're stuck with in England.

"Steve Bryan" wrote in message
As Daffy Duck might say, "It is to laugh."

And, thank God we didn't end up with that rickety, frail COFDM system
they're stuck with in England.

Bob Miller wrote:

There is absolutely no chance that the 8-VSB modulation could possibly last
for the 15 years that you suggest let alone whatever you expect it will take
to get the other 50%.

The way technology is moving to think that the TV spectrum from channel 2 to
51 would still be afflicted with 8-VSB in 11 more years is ludicrous.


This is yet another prediction from bob. So far he has been wrong 100%
of the time. He really should retire before he gets one right by accident.

Matthew

--
http://www.mlmartin.com/bbq/

Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

Bob Miller wrote:

There is absolutely no chance that the 8-VSB modulation could possibly last
for the 15 years that you suggest let alone whatever you expect it will take
to get the other 50%.

The way technology is moving to think that the TV spectrum from channel 2 to
51 would still be afflicted with 8-VSB in 11 more years is ludicrous.


This is yet another prediction from bob. So far he has been wrong 100%
of the time. He really should retire before he gets one right by accident.

Matthew

--
http://www.mlmartin.com/bbq/

Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:54:48 +0000 (UTC), (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article ,
"Richard R" writes:
Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be complete by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis.

My original predictions (made in 1987) were that AFTER INTRODUCTION,
our new HDTV scheme will take 15yrs to get 1/2 of the market. This
is more similar to ColorTV than VCR take-up. So far, the reality
of the market is that we are approx 3-4 years after introduction.

Relative to my prediction, we are doing BETTER than I had expected.

John

One reason that HD hasn't caught on faster may be that people's tvs
don't have to be replaced as often as before. It's much easier to go
to HD when you need to replace your old tv. Then again we are just
starting to really get HD programming.

Thumper

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:54:48 +0000 (UTC), (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article ,
"Richard R" writes:
Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be complete by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis.

My original predictions (made in 1987) were that AFTER INTRODUCTION,
our new HDTV scheme will take 15yrs to get 1/2 of the market. This
is more similar to ColorTV than VCR take-up. So far, the reality
of the market is that we are approx 3-4 years after introduction.

Relative to my prediction, we are doing BETTER than I had expected.

John

One reason that HD hasn't caught on faster may be that people's tvs
don't have to be replaced as often as before. It's much easier to go
to HD when you need to replace your old tv. Then again we are just
starting to really get HD programming.

Thumper

(John S. Dyson) wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Richard R" writes:
Bob's comments aside, the hdtv transition is a disaster for many reasons.
The tuner and 8VSB is just one of dozens of problems in standardization and
appropriate equipment. Anyone who thinks the transition will be complete by
2006 must not be taking their medicine on a regular basis.

My original predictions (made in 1987) were that AFTER INTRODUCTION,
our new HDTV scheme will take 15yrs to get 1/2 of the market. This
is more similar to ColorTV than VCR take-up. So far, the reality
of the market is that we are approx 3-4 years after introduction.

Relative to my prediction, we are doing BETTER than I had expected.

This topic has come up recently on an AVS forum. The implication was
that if all the stations (about 1700 of which 1024 are already
digital) have made the transition then it may prove easy to turn off
the analog channels. The reasoning has to do with the specific wording
of the 85% requirement. If one TV in a home can receive the all the
local digital channels then it qualifies. For cable subscribers as
long as the cable company is carrying the locals their STB will
satisfy that requirement. It wouldn't matter whether the set is
digital or NTSC since the STB will certainly have DVI and composite
outputs. There may be some laggard stations or cable providers but it
provides about 70% compliance with no effort required of the
subscriber.

That means half who are not cable subscribers (or 15% of the total)
needing to purchase an ATSC receiver. Still a tall order from current
trends but you could almost imagine a subsidy from beneficiaries of
newly available spectrum being a possibility to finish the transition
sooner rather than later.