Recording a different digital channel

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Hi
I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
problem please?

In Spain there are many companies that provide relayed UK TV ( BBC, ITV etc
and SKY).

Recently, the one I use has changed over to digital. They have provided a
Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box. The aerial is the same as before
(square mesh slightly curved) and it receives its signal from a local ground
station. Although the picture quality is now much better than with the
previous analogue system it has one main disadvantage. I cannot now record a
different TV channel to the one that I am watching. Previously, I could do
so.

I could pay a fortune for the "installation" of another digital box + 60%
extra of the current monthly fee but I think this is very expensive, just to
do what I could do before.

If I was to buy a digital box locally (many are for sale to receive "free"
Spanish digital TV), would this pick up and decode my digital signal? It
would need to have a slot for a card. The Techno Trend receiver has a card
in it but I have found that I can still receive all channels with the card
removed.

I'm interested in the technical aspects of doing this.

Any ideas please? I can provide any technical info regarding the
receiver/software etc.

Thanks

Craig

"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
.. .
(Sorry if this post appears more than once... I seem to be having trouble
posting using my ISP)

Hi
I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
problem please?

In Spain there are many companies that provide relayed UK TV ( BBC, ITV
etc
and SKY).

Recently, the one I use has changed over to digital. They have provided a
Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box. The aerial is the same as before
(square mesh slightly curved) and it receives its signal from a local
ground
station. Although the picture quality is now much better than with the
previous analogue system it has one main disadvantage. I cannot now record
a
different TV channel to the one that I am watching. Previously, I could do
so.

I could pay a fortune for the "installation" of another digital box + 60%
extra of the current monthly fee but I think this is very expensive, just
to
do what I could do before.

If I was to buy a digital box locally (many are for sale to receive "free"
Spanish digital TV), would this pick up and decode my digital signal? It
would need to have a slot for a card. The Techno Trend receiver has a card
in it but I have found that I can still receive all channels with the card
removed.

I'm interested in the technical aspects of doing this.

Any ideas please? I can provide any technical info regarding the
receiver/software etc.

Thanks

Craig


AFAIK the reason you can record one (analogue) channel whilst watching
another is because the recorder has its own (analogue) tuner. With a
digital system the set top box is, effectively, the tuner, so you need one
for the telly (unless the telly has an integrated digital tuner)and another
for the recorder - if you want to record a digital programme whilst watching
another digital programme on the telly. I think it's as simple as that.

Chas

Hi Chas

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I understand what u are
saying. I just need to know what type of digital receiver I need to buy and
whether it will work. The Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box, provided is
a DVB-C receiver, although I am not receiving my signal from a cable system.

Any further technical help would be appreciated. Does Freeview in the UK use
DVB-C?

Thanks

Craig


"Charles Gill" wrote in message
...

"Lago Jardin" wrote in message
.. .
(Sorry if this post appears more than once... I seem to be having
trouble
posting using my ISP)

Hi
I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
problem please?

In Spain there are many companies that provide relayed UK TV ( BBC, ITV
etc
and SKY).

Recently, the one I use has changed over to digital. They have provided
a
Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box. The aerial is the same as before
(square mesh slightly curved) and it receives its signal from a local
ground
station. Although the picture quality is now much better than with the
previous analogue system it has one main disadvantage. I cannot now
record
a
different TV channel to the one that I am watching. Previously, I could
do
so.

I could pay a fortune for the "installation" of another digital box +
60%
extra of the current monthly fee but I think this is very expensive,
just
to
do what I could do before.

If I was to buy a digital box locally (many are for sale to receive
"free"
Spanish digital TV), would this pick up and decode my digital signal? It
would need to have a slot for a card. The Techno Trend receiver has a
card
in it but I have found that I can still receive all channels with the
card
removed.

I'm interested in the technical aspects of doing this.

Any ideas please? I can provide any technical info regarding the
receiver/software etc.

Thanks

Craig


AFAIK the reason you can record one (analogue) channel whilst watching
another is because the recorder has its own (analogue) tuner. With a
digital system the set top box is, effectively, the tuner, so you need one
for the telly (unless the telly has an integrated digital tuner)and
another
for the recorder - if you want to record a digital programme whilst
watching
another digital programme on the telly. I think it's as simple as that.

Chas

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:17:44 GMT, "Lago Jardin"
wrote:

(Sorry if this post appears more than once... I seem to be having trouble
posting using my ISP)

Hi
I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
problem please?

What, you want a free airline ticket or something? Cheap flights to
Leeds are available you know!

--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:17:44 GMT, "Lago Jardin"
wrote:

| (Sorry if this post appears more than once... I seem to be having trouble
| posting using my ISP)
|
| Hi
| I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
| problem please?
|
| In Spain there are many companies that provide relayed UK TV ( BBC, ITV etc
| and SKY).

You can receive $ky in Spain, I am told, with a big dish.
see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/de.sullivan/

Beware that $ky will only issue a viewing card to a *UK* address and using
it in Spain is against the $ky terms and conditions. If you take a
?free? installation offer they insist that you connect the STB to a
telephone line. AFAIK a Spanish line would cause problems and you would
not be able to use the interactive features.

See sig for GBP $ky ?freesat? offer.

--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Sat ITV, Ch4, Ch5, only GBP20
http://www.freesatfromsky.com - "what is freesat?" - "view T&C" -
What will I receive "£20 ... one Viewing Card". You will also need
$ky box and dish. List of Channels at http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm

Lago Jardin said the following on 2005-02-27 00:48:
Hi Chas

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I understand what u are
saying. I just need to know what type of digital receiver I need to buy and
whether it will work. The Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box, provided is
a DVB-C receiver, although I am not receiving my signal from a cable system.

Any further technical help would be appreciated. Does Freeview in the UK use
DVB-C?


All the terrestrial operators in Europe use DVB-T.

Do any of the local retailers offer a "16 day no quibble money back
guarentee", if so you could try one of them (or eBay )


Kev

Hi Dave

Thanks for the reply. We have had a analogue system here for many years that
re-transmits UK Terrestrial TV and most of the sky channels. We didn't need
a sky card and in fact many people that bought them (using a UK address or
even a local supplier here in Spain) found that even with the larger dishes
they found it more and more difficult to receive the signal. I think that is
because Sky narrowed the transmition beam some time ago and it barely
reaches southern Spain now.

We get excellent reception with the new digital box as explained in my first
post but without the interactive features which I can live with!! All I want
to do is to be able to record a different channel to the one I am watching.
I could do this when we had the analogue system for obvious reasons. So, I
am looking to buy a extra digital receiver in order to do this.

Its on the technical side that I am looking for help, so that I buy a
suitable digital receiver. This is the one that I have been provide with:

http://www.technotrend.de/english/pr...products1.html

It is the TT-Micro as shown and has one slot with a card in it.
I'm guessing that it will receive all types of DVB signals, so I need to get
something similar ( I cant buy that particular model).

Thanks again

Craig





"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:17:44 GMT, "Lago Jardin"
wrote:

| (Sorry if this post appears more than once... I seem to be having
trouble
| posting using my ISP)
|
| Hi
| I am from Leeds but now live in Spain. Could anyone help me with this
| problem please?
|
| In Spain there are many companies that provide relayed UK TV ( BBC, ITV
etc
| and SKY).

You can receive $ky in Spain, I am told, with a big dish.
see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/de.sullivan/

Beware that $ky will only issue a viewing card to a *UK* address and using
it in Spain is against the $ky terms and conditions. If you take a
?free? installation offer they insist that you connect the STB to a
telephone line. AFAIK a Spanish line would cause problems and you would
not be able to use the interactive features.

See sig for GBP $ky ?freesat? offer.

--
Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Sat ITV, Ch4, Ch5, only GBP20
http://www.freesatfromsky.com - "what is freesat?" - "view T&C" -
What will I receive "£20 ... one Viewing Card". You will also need
$ky box and dish. List of Channels at http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm

Hi Kev

Thanks for the info on DVB-T
May be if you have time u would please look at the specs of the receiver
that I have been supplied with.
http://www.technotrend.de/english/pr...products1.html

I'm thinking its capable of receiving all DVB signal types?? So you think
that if I get a receiver that receives type T then I will be OK? My problem
is i can't buy a Techno Trend box so I need a substitute receiver that has a
card slot. Are all the freeview receivers this type?

I'm thinking of trying to buy one and if it doesnt work take it back, as you
suggested. I am going to look around but knowing the specs of the receiver
needed certainly helps

Thanks a lot

Craig


"Kev" wrote in message
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Lago Jardin said the following on 2005-02-27 00:48:
Hi Chas

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I understand what u are
saying. I just need to know what type of digital receiver I need to buy
and
whether it will work. The Techno Trend IRD C2801-CV digital box,
provided is
a DVB-C receiver, although I am not receiving my signal from a cable
system.

Any further technical help would be appreciated. Does Freeview in the UK
use
DVB-C?


All the terrestrial operators in Europe use DVB-T.

Do any of the local retailers offer a "16 day no quibble money back
guarentee", if so you could try one of them (or eBay )


Kev

Lago Jardin said the following on 2005-02-27 12:53:
Hi Kev

Thanks for the info on DVB-T
May be if you have time u would please look at the specs of the receiver
that I have been supplied with.
http://www.technotrend.de/english/pr...products1.html

I'm thinking its capable of receiving all DVB signal types?? So you think
that if I get a receiver that receives type T then I will be OK? My problem
is i can't buy a Techno Trend box so I need a substitute receiver that has a
card slot. Are all the freeview receivers this type?

I'm thinking of trying to buy one and if it doesnt work take it back, as you
suggested. I am going to look around but knowing the specs of the receiver
needed certainly helps


It looks like it can cope with DVB-T/C/S - it depends what system your
operator uses.

Most Freeview recivers don't have a card slot, and those that do
possibly use a different Conditional Access System to your operator (Who
is that BTW?).

There must be somewhere that sells them, but as a card is required
(although it seams unneeded at present) then you run the risk of the
signals becoming encyprted and therefore you'll need to get a second sub
anyway.

Thanks Kev

Will think about what you have said. I understand it now. My provider is a
smallish...just a local provider for both terrestrial digital (like mine)
and they have a cable network on some urbanizations. This would explain why
they have supplied boxes possibly with DVB (All Types). In my instruction
book it says DVB-C receiver although mine is not cable but received through
a slightly curved mesh arial, with central receiver arm. Its not a dish like
I had for Sky in the UK. Not quite sure how legal most of these companies
are in Spain!! but at least I can see the English footie and rugby on Sky!!
and there is our nice weather too!!!

Thanks again for the help

Craig


"Kev" wrote in message
...


It looks like it can cope with DVB-T/C/S - it depends what system your
operator uses.

Most Freeview recivers don't have a card slot, and those that do
possibly use a different Conditional Access System to your operator (Who
is that BTW?).

There must be somewhere that sells them, but as a card is required
(although it seams unneeded at present) then you run the risk of the
signals becoming encyprted and therefore you'll need to get a second sub
anyway.