ITV1 football aspect ratios

On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight, but the Superbowl was OK on analog
ITV1

No changing of Wide format settings helps.
This is crazy.

Is my equipment messed up, or is it ITV1.
Just want to know.

OtF

on-the-fence wrote:

On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight,

ITV1 analogue was full frame 4x3 and looked fine.

Unlike ITV2 from Sky digital which was horrendous. The pitch was just
one big green blob with little or no surface texture, even the white
lines tended to disappear at times. I've seen better LP VHS recordings.

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Peter

on-the-fence wrote:
On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight, but the Superbowl was OK on analog
ITV1

No changing of Wide format settings helps.
This is crazy.

Is my equipment messed up, or is it ITV1.
Just want to know.

They transmit a widescreen picture with black bars up the edges to mask it
back to 4:3.
On a widescreen set it looks right, picture full height with black bars at
the sides.
On a 4:3 set it looks crap, you get a widescreen picture so there's the
black lines top and bottom but because of the blanks left and right you end
up with the 'picture in picture' effect.
BBC did it with Ski Sunday and the World Champs.

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:07:56 GMT, on-the-fence
wrote:

Is my equipment messed up, or is it ITV1.
Just want to know.

Dunno about the Football, I don't watch it, but the Superbowl was
definitely screwed. It is such a shame Five didn't show the NFL
playoffs and Superbowl, their show and ability to do widescreen was
infinitely preferable to the crappy ITV effort.
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Peter Hayes wrote:
on-the-fence wrote:

On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight,

ITV1 analogue was full frame 4x3 and looked fine.

Unlike ITV2 from Sky digital which was horrendous. The pitch was just
one big green blob with little or no surface texture, even the white
lines tended to disappear at times. I've seen better LP VHS
recordings.

Problem with ITV1 and ITV2 on satellie is that they are broadcast as 544x576
not 720/704x576 - whether they are carrying 16:9 full-width or 4:3
full-width material. This goes horribly wrong when the broadcast is a 4:3
image within a 16:9 frame - as this is broadcast as a 16:9 544x576 image,
with the 4:3 image only using about 400 samples horizontally (i.e.
400ishx576) Add to this the horribly high compression rates ITV use on DSat
and you get a soft, mushy picture...

Freeview isn't much better now they are squeezing ITV1/2/3/News into less
than 12Mbs - in London at least. Most of the rest of the UK doesn't get
ITVNews at the moment AIUI - so probably looks a bit better than London on
DTT.

Steve

In message , on-the-fence
writes
On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight, but the Superbowl was OK on analog
ITV1

No changing of Wide format settings helps.
This is crazy.

Is my equipment messed up, or is it ITV1.
Just want to know.

OtF

ITV2 footie was widescreen, it seems 1&2 can't both be such at the same
time.
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Ian.

news wrote:

ITV2 footie was widescreen, it seems 1&2 can't both be such at the same
time.

Well they can. The ITV-1 match was from Germany, and produced locally in
4:3. ITV (and BBC) Sport have this ludicrous policy of presenting sports
events such as this in 16:9 (only because they include half time
comments from a 16:9 studio). Therefore the entire programme is produced
as 16:9 with the match itself shown as a 4:3 pillar box. The ITV2 match
was from the UK, and therefore produced entirely in 16:9.

As with end credit squashing, babbling all over title music, on screen
DOGs etc etc, the broadcasters know best apparently.

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"on-the-fence" wrote in message
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On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie
black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight, but the Superbowl was OK on
analog
ITV1

No changing of Wide format settings helps.
This is crazy.

Is my equipment messed up, or is it ITV1.
Just want to know.

OtF


Could it be your set is switched to wide or letterbox only rather than
auto? We have a conventional 21" TV which shows a full screen picture
if the original is not widescreen, but from cable the picture will
have a border all round, whereas on 'normal' BBC or ITV origin signals
(which presumably are now all in w/s format) we get a letterbox with a
wider picture than off-air. One assumes w/s has not reached Germany
yet?


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Woody

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harrogate2 wrote:

[snip]

One assumes w/s has not reached Germany
yet?

It has, I've seen ARD and ZDF carrying PalPlus 16:9 transmissions on
analogue, and also VRT Belgium and NOS Holland.

However the programminmg in w/s on those networks is 'upmarket' arts or
films, I've not seen any sports coverage presented that way.

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"on-the-fence" wrote in message
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On ITV1, DTT.
Saw this on tonights Champions League Football.
Also on US Superbowl (on ITV1 a couple of weeks ago)

TV is 25" 4:3 ; displayed picture is something like 22" 4:3, ie black
border ALL AROUND.

I didn't check analog ITV1 tonight, but the Superbowl was OK on analog
ITV1

No changing of Wide format settings helps.
This is crazy.

If you have a 4:3 and are watching Champions League games from abroad, then
pressing the 'wide' button on your DTT remote should zoom in. Blame the
satellite feeds for the lack of width.


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John Porcella