5th Generation ATSC Tuner Available in LG's LZ30 Series

Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their current
LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV
has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought this was not available
yet.

Also, below is a quote from the LG press release date January 6th, 2005
that says their LZ30 line has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner.

http://us.lge.com/AboutUs.do?myActio...000001&seq=162

" The 55LP1D is complemented by the LZ30 series, which includes new sleek
and slender 42-, 37- and 30-inch widescreen direct-view LCD HDTVs, which
receive free over-the-air digital broadcasts without the need for a separate
set-top box. These integrated HDTVs feature LG's fifth-generation ATSC
VSB/QAM tuner, which receives terrestrial digital HDTV and unscrambled
digital cable broadcasts, and an NTSC tuner for conventional analog TV
broadcasts."

Rick,
= remove ZZZ for correct email address.

Rickk wrote:
Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their current
LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV
has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought this was not available
yet.

That's probably because you were misled by bob.

Matthew

Matthew,
So are you saying YES, 5th Generation ATSC Tuners are available in LG's
curent LZ30 line? Sorry, I didn't quite follow your response.

Rick


"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
Rickk wrote:
Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their
current LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model DU-37LZ30
37 inch TV has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought this was not
available yet.

That's probably because you were misled by bob.

Matthew

Good find, looks like they are available.
We've never had any big problems with 1st generation receivers, though.
YMMV.


"Rickk" wrote in message
...
Matthew,
So are you saying YES, 5th Generation ATSC Tuners are available in LG's
curent LZ30 line? Sorry, I didn't quite follow your response.

Rick


"Matthew L. Martin" wrote in message
...
Rickk wrote:
Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their
current LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model
DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought
this was not available yet.

That's probably because you were misled by bob.

Matthew

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:08:50 -0500, "David" wrote:

Good find, looks like they are available.
We've never had any big problems with 1st generation receivers, though.
YMMV.


LOL

Bob haters

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:48:23 -0500, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:

Rickk wrote:
Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their current
LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV
has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought this was not available
yet.

That's probably because you were misled by bob.

Well, actually this is precisely what Bob (and others) said LG was
planning, that is, to make the 5th Gen. chips available in integrated
HDTV's, but not in ATSC tuners/STB's.

BobT wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:48:23 -0500, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:


Rickk wrote:

Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their current
LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV
has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had thought this was not available
yet.

That's probably because you were misled by bob.


Well, actually this is precisely what Bob (and others) said LG was
planning, that is, to make the 5th Gen. chips available in integrated
HDTV's, but not in ATSC tuners/STB's.


Actually, bob said absolutely nothing of the kind. I was one of those
that pointed out that 5th generation chips were likely be available in
integrated sets.

His obvious intent was to mislead:

As of now No one plans on shipping a stand alone 5th generation LG receiver.

Bob Miller

Matthew

Matthew L. Martin wrote:

BobT wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:48:23 -0500, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:


Rickk wrote:

Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their
current LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model
DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had
thought this was not available yet.


That's probably because you were misled by bob.



Well, actually this is precisely what Bob (and others) said LG was
planning, that is, to make the 5th Gen. chips available in integrated
HDTV's, but not in ATSC tuners/STB's.


Actually, bob said absolutely nothing of the kind. I was one of those
that pointed out that 5th generation chips were likely be available in
integrated sets.

His obvious intent was to mislead:

As of now No one plans on shipping a stand alone 5th generation LG
receiver.

Bob Miller


Matthew


In answer to Matt's obvious intent to mislead....

From the post below Quoting myself....

"The 5th gen receiver is 4 1/2 years LATE! And its getting later every
day. And now we hear that LG will not even make stand alone receivers.
They will only include them in their HDTV sets. That will give them a
MAJOR competitive advantage. And Hisense says they will not deploy 5th
generation receivers till their current stocks run out, six months, a
year?? I don't know. "

One of many post where I said that LG would deliver 5th gen receivers in
integrated sets.

Bob Miller wrote:
Otto Pylot wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:


Lately I've been reading a bit on this newsgroup and it seems that 5th
generation OTA tuners were going to be released by the 4th quarter of
2004. Are there any out yet? Could anybody list brands and models?
Thanks.


I've got a 4th gen LG LST-4200A that has worked flawlessly since day
one. What's wrong with a good 4th gen?

4th generation receivers work in some locations but not those which are
multipath challenged. That means in places with trees, wind, airplanes
and buildings. 4th generation especially has problems with reception
with indoor antenna because of multipath both static and dynamic. That
means that people walking around the room can cause loss of signal as
can static multipath from signals bouncing around the room.

The success of DTV OTA depends on having receivers that work for
everybody not just a few. Receivers that work in all conditions not just
when things are just right and you have the rooftop rotorized antenna
pointed the right way.

The ideal receiver would work with an antenna that could be included in
the HDTV set or simply placed on top and be a simple loop, rabbit ears
or monopole $2 antenna. It should work in New York City apartments and I
personally believe it should work in the back seat of your car, on a
train, on your boat or in a bus, in the back of our 16 wheeler or at the
beach. With COFDM antennas small enough to fit on cell phones work very
well. This video of three screens are receiving mobile in the worst RF
environment in the world, New York City from a 100 Watt transmitter. The
antennas range from a three inch omni monopole to a 15 inch monopole.

www.viacel.com/bob.wmv

For the life of me I can't imagine why you would want to leave any of
those scenarios out if you didn't have to. That is if you could have a
receiver that did all of the above and more why not? Why wouldn't you
want to receive OTA DTV on your boat? How about on a portable TV that
has a screen but also lets you plug in 1080P glasses? The antenna is
built into these portable DTVs. (COFDM)

http://www.i4u.com/article2231.html
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1D7213F9
http://www.followmedia-tv.com/

and these phones with minuscule antennas. Wouldn't these antennas look
better on your roof?
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/mobile/0308/08/sanyo.html
Video demo
http://www.wirelesswatch.jp/modules....rticle&sid=741

And in spite of the FCC the US, as this article notes, may actually be
getting back to the cutting edge with cell phone DTV (COFDM of course)
in Pittsburgh of all places.
http://cellphones.engadget.com/entry/1234000483023527/

This article says that DVB-H will clean the clock of DMB-T being offered
by S. Korean companies. Before this is over LG and friends are going to
be sorry they picked the 8-VSB modulation. It forced them to then find a
Mobile modulation (DMB-T) to satisfy their broadcasters. Now they are
riding two horses both of which are the wrong ones. DMB-T uses an old
form of COFDM so even the loser has the right modulation sort of.

How about combining a gizmo like this with 80 Gigs of video and music
files
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/01...reen/index.php

with glasses like these with 1080P HDTV capability.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/01...reen/index.php

COFDM and its DVB-T and DVB-H win in the end world-wide and that means
here in the US also. Just a matter of time.

So why did we give up all these possibilities? Channels 2 thru 51 can't
do any of this. They could do HDTV just like 8-VSB with COFDM and have
all these capabilities. Why don't we? Why are we one of the few
countries in the world that can't? Australia and Japan can and they also
can do HD. France will and they will have HD. We can't. Why? Did we get
something in return? We made a big sacrifice. We have to have rooftop
antennas (at least till later this year). We don't have mobile
reception, why not? What did we get for the sacrifice? DUH!!! NOTHING?
Wrong answer.

What we got was higher royalty payments, ten times higher. Nice trade,
lose a lot of functionality and get to pay more money for the privilege.
And while the royalty payments that we pay (remember 10 time higher for
8-VSB than COFDM) go to a foreign corporation, LG, the royalties that
most other countries citizens pay (10% of our payments) go to mostly US
patent holders. Isn't that weird? IN an age when the US exports IP. That
is what we sell mostly. We have elected to send IP royalty payments
overseas to a foreign company while the rest of the world thinks our IP
(Intellectual property) is better. AND IT IS! COFDM is American and it
is far better.

And LG isn't shy about telling its shareholders how much, $100,000,000
per year it was worth once the FCC MANDATED receivers in every DTV set.

4th generation receivers do not work well in most apartments in
Manhattan. I know because I have tried four and OWN two. I have tried
over a number of years COFDM and 8-VSB in different cities and different
conditions.

5th generation LG receivers are the first 8-VSB receivers that work in
static multipath decent enough TO BE SOLD. In my opinion NO receiver
that has been sold to date should have been. We should not even have
started our digital transition in the US until we had a receiver that
worked at least as well as LG 5th generation receivers. The FCC has let
us down. They did not look out for the consumer which is their PRIMARY
job. They specifically looked out for LG Industries. Go figure.

You have to ask yourselves why the FCC first of all picked a modulation
that was so flawed and second why did they stick with it so long. Why
did they believe LG and others when they said that they would have fix
for 8-VSB that would make it work MOBILE and have no problem with
reception with simple indoor antennas IN SIX MONTHS starting January
11th 2001. We have to date only seen a 5th generation receiver. It is
not even on the market yet and it does not work MOBILE nor does the
E-VSB that was supposed to specifically work mobile.

The 5th gen receiver is 4 1/2 years LATE! And its getting later every
day. And now we hear that LG will not even make stand alone receivers.
They will only include them in their HDTV sets. That will give them a
MAJOR competitive advantage. And Hisense says they will not deploy 5th
generation receivers till their current stocks run out, six months, a
year?? I don't know.

In 2000 the FCC had a review of both COFDM and 8-VSB. They then had a
test (allowed by the FCC) that was conducted by the industry, that was
brazen in your face fraud. In the last hour of the last FCC
administration they re-affirmed 8-VSB on January 19th 2001.

And now we hear that our Chairman of the FCC Powell is frustrated at the
pace of the DTV OTA transition. He could have turned it around many
times. He could turn it around today. He won't because he does not have
the best interest of the public at heart.

I would like to think otherwise but it has been too long a wait for any
actions from the FCC that would suggest otherwise.

Bob Miller

Bob Miller wrote:
Matthew L. Martin wrote:

BobT wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:48:23 -0500, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote:


Rickk wrote:

Ok,
Just checking with this group that what I understand is true? LG
customer support checked with engineering who confirmed that their
current LZ30 lines of LCD TVs, also specifically, the LG model
DU-37LZ30 37 inch TV has the 5th Generation ATSC tuner. I had
thought this was not available yet.



That's probably because you were misled by bob.




Well, actually this is precisely what Bob (and others) said LG was
planning, that is, to make the 5th Gen. chips available in integrated
HDTV's, but not in ATSC tuners/STB's.


Actually, bob said absolutely nothing of the kind. I was one of those
that pointed out that 5th generation chips were likely be available in
integrated sets.

His obvious intent was to mislead:

As of now No one plans on shipping a stand alone 5th generation LG
receiver.

Bob Miller



Matthew



In answer to Matt's obvious intent to mislead....

Sorry bob. I quoted everything you said in your most recent thread
intended to sow FUD. Nowhere in that thread did you state that 5th
generation chips would appear in integrated sets.

Of course, there is the well proven fact that most people don't have
severe multipath problems and could care less about multipath mitigation
in any generation of receiver.


Matthew

Of course, there is the well proven fact that most people don't have
severe multipath problems and could care less about multipath mitigation
in any generation of receiver.


Matthew

There you go again Matt, confusing BOB with facts.