SKY FREE TO VIEW CARD ON EBAY

Sky had a crack down on their cards been sold on Ebay a while ago and made
Ebay remove the Sky card listings. After all people are selling something
that isn't theirs to sell.

David wrote:

I know subscription cards belong to Sky, is it not the same with the Free
ITV etc. ones?

That's what it says on the back. And it should be remembered that many
(most? all?) cards being sold on Ebay as "FTV" are in fact just
expired sub cards.

From time to time Sky have had Ebay remove all Sky card auctions.

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"Nigel Barker" wrote in message
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The free Solus card scheme & the Fee2view 23.50GBP cards involved
no such contract so are the property of the owner.


By owner do you mean the user or issuer?

I've just looked at my old "BBC" free to view card that was issued to me
free. It says on it 'This card is the property of Sky Subscription
Services......'


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On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:00:57 +0100, "Phil" wrote:

Sky had a crack down on their cards been sold on Ebay a while ago and made
Ebay remove the Sky card listings. After all people are selling something
that isn't theirs to sell.

Only if it's an expired Sky subscription card that they actually signed a
contract for. The free Solus card scheme & the Fee2view 23.50GBP cards involved
no such contract so are the property of the owner.

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 07:40:33 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:00:57 +0100, "Phil" wrote:

Sky had a crack down on their cards been sold on Ebay a while ago and made
Ebay remove the Sky card listings. After all people are selling something
that isn't theirs to sell.

Only if it's an expired Sky subscription card that they actually signed a
contract for. The free Solus card scheme & the Fee2view 23.50GBP cards involved
no such contract so are the property of the owner.

Wording on above issue card:

"This card is the property of Sky Subscribers Services Ltd and must
be returned upon request"

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You have not bought the card, simply a licence to use it, which can
be terminated.
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:05:25 +0200, Jim Watt wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 07:40:33 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:00:57 +0100, "Phil" wrote:

Sky had a crack down on their cards been sold on Ebay a while ago and made
Ebay remove the Sky card listings. After all people are selling something
that isn't theirs to sell.

Only if it's an expired Sky subscription card that they actually signed a
contract for. The free Solus card scheme & the Fee2view 23.50GBP cards involved
no such contract so are the property of the owner.

Wording on above issue card:

"This card is the property of Sky Subscribers Services Ltd and must
be returned upon request"

++

You have not bought the card, simply a licence to use it, which can
be terminated.

I haven't bought any FTV cards they were given to me by the people operating the
BBC Solus card line. If they had wanted to enforce the Sky ownership of the card
the simple answer was to have the standard notice on the packing on various bits
of software that by opening the package you agree to the following license. Even
a letter saying this would have been sufficient. There was not with the FTV
cards that I have. I am sure that it was an oversight & doubtless any future FTV
card scheme will make it clear that card is not your property.

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In article ,
Nigel Barker wrote:

Only if it's an expired Sky subscription card that they actually signed a
contract for. The free Solus card scheme & the Fee2view 23.50GBP cards involved
no such contract so are the property of the owner.

There was no contract with the Solus card because there was no
consideration. There is a clear implied contract with the Free2view
23.50GBP and there is consideration - GBP23-50 of consideration.

The two are not the same.

Don't ask me about Pout cards (of which I have a number) for which, again,
there was no consideration - at least not in my case.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:12:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

And if that wasn't brought to your attention when you asked for the card
(i.e. _before_ the supply was agreed),

Ownership of the card has never been transferred.

You have purchased a non transferable licence to use it
and its use can be terminated in the event that the terms
under which its supplied are infringed.

2. (c) Only you may use the viewing card, you can only use the
viewing card at your address you have given.

However, reading the said small print, it looks like they undertake
to replace the card in the event of an update for security purposes,
ie a new release.

So its not all bad stuff.




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On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:29:58 +0000 (UTC),
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

In article
_way "Jim Watt" writes:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:12:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

And if that wasn't brought to your attention when you asked for the card
(i.e. _before_ the supply was agreed),

Ownership of the card has never been transferred.

If it was not notified to the purchaser that the card was on loan, then
it has been sold and ownership transferred. Where the card was supplied
in conjunction with the supply of a DigiBox and/or satellite services it
was possibly in the contract, but if it was done over the telephone then
the detail of who owns the card was IME not discussed, and therefore
cannot be enforced retrospectively.

You have purchased a non transferable licence to use it
and its use can be terminated in the event that the terms
under which its supplied are infringed.

If the terms were properly brought to the attention of the purchaser
before the purchase was agreed. You cannot sell by retail to someone
and then impose additional terms later.
snip

Listen very carefully for I shall say this only once;

One party offers a service. The service is governed by terms and
conditions supplied to the second party with a card clearly marked
and an explanation of the deal written in plain English.
The second party accepts the offer by using the card. Money
changes hands. Is there a contract? Yes.

In practice what can the card issuer do if the terms are broken?

Turn the card off.

What can someone who has bought a card from the original party do?

bugger all.

Nobody ever bought the card, its internal codes etc etc just a licence
to use it. When you buy a record you have not bought the music on it,
just the right to listen to it yourself. Its similar except you can
sell it. 'as is' Has anyone ever explained that to you in the store?

If you fail to read the words on the CD that say "unauthorised
copying, hiring, public performances and broadcasting
of this record prohibited' does that give you the right to
do all those things? No

The difference is that in the case of the smart card Ruperts men can
turn it off and its actual value becomes zero.

Rather like that Mr Blunkett will be able to turn off your new
upcoming ID card and for practical purposes you will cease
to exist.

Happy dreams.
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"Jim Watt" wrote in message
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Rather like that Mr Blunkett will be able to turn off your new
upcoming ID card and for practical purposes you will cease
to exist.



Thanks for that, I now understand some peoples objection to ID cards.
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