FAQ: ping Jomtien

Hi Jomtien

I followed the link you posted here to the FAQ at: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy

I have done a little re-working of the FAQ, updating links, deleting
outdated links and adding some hypertext links; hope you approve?

I have posted it to a webserver for your perusal and if you are happy with
it maybe you could replace official FAQ with this one:
http://www.usenetz.clara.net/FAQ_uk.tech.tv.sky.htm

It could still be made more user-friendly if others have the time ;-)

Cheers

john

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:37:26 +0100, someone purporting to be "Graham"
wrote:

Hope this doesn't sound too pedantic, but could you change the wording in
the first answer?

Done.

john

Hi John, You have been working hard. Haven't been able to read all 54 paras
but it is looking good.

Hope this doesn't sound too pedantic, but could you change the wording in
the first answer?

From:
wipe the gold contacts of the card carefully with a dry tissue to remove
any static build-up. (Note: use a tissue, not a jumper!)

to something like this:
wipe the gold contacts of the card carefully with a dry tissue to remove
any grease etc.. Note: use a tissue, not a jumper so as not to expose the
card electronics to static discharge.

I promise you the change will be appreciated by those of us who work with
electronics!


Graham.

JohnT wrote:

I followed the link you posted here to the FAQ at: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy

I have done a little re-working of the FAQ, updating links, deleting
outdated links and adding some hypertext links; hope you approve?

The link in my sig that you quote above is a link to the Google cache
of the latest Usenet version of the FAQ. I used to maintain a web
version and published the link to this html version of the FAQ in my
sig but some time ago I deliberately chose to use only the Google one
and to no longer publish the html one. This was for various reasons
related to pop-ups and Gator, and in order to retain the Usenet
connection which was in danger of being swamped by the galloping
increase in web-based FAQs and forums (fora) that often have a
commercial link.

I haven't looked at your specific page but if anyone thinks that there
are any changes needed to the Usenet Sky Digital FAQ as maintained by
me then they are welcome to discuss them in the FAQ thread, as
mentioned in the FAQ itself. After due discussion and depending on
group comments any suggested changes may be implemented and credit for
contributions will be given.

Anyone can port the current Usenet FAQ to a webpage as long as they
don't change anything in it. Changes should only be made after due
discussion here. As I mentioned above, everyone is welcome to
contribute to such discussions and I will try and ensure that all
suggestions have equal weight.

Oh, and before anyone gets needlessly upset as a previous
well-intentioned poster did: I never communicate by private email in
these groups. There are no exceptions to this.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 05:38:21 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

The link in my sig that you quote above is a link to the Google cache
of the latest Usenet version of the FAQ.
Which bizarrely is a link to a French website http://groups.google.fr/


I used to maintain a web
version and published the link to this html version of the FAQ in my
sig but some time ago I deliberately chose to use only the Google one
and to no longer publish the html one.
Fair enough, I wasn't aware of your decision to use only the plain text FAQ
on Google.

I haven't looked at your specific page but if anyone thinks that there
are any changes needed to the Usenet Sky Digital FAQ as maintained by
me then they are welcome to discuss them in the FAQ thread, as
mentioned in the FAQ itself.
I did read the FAQ however there is no mention in it about discussing this
in the FAQ thread; the wording is "This FAQ is rubbish. What can I do?
Write a better one or contribute to the improvement of this one by posting
about it in the group in which you read it".

As your Tiny link (http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy) auto-directs the reader to
http://groups.google.fr had I followed that instruction to post in the
group in which I read it I would have posted to Google's French site, which
I didn't think would be helpful.

I thought it more appropriate to make an informal approach to you outside
the FAQ thread as I wanted to communicate directly with the person who
maintained the document rather that start a debate in the FAQ thread which
has 531 identical articles.

Changes should only be made after due discussion here
It would be helpful to say that in the FAQ rather than inviting people to
"Write a better one" - I have now removed the HTML version I did.

Oh, and before anyone gets needlessly upset as a previous
well-intentioned poster did: I never communicate by private email in
these groups. There are no exceptions to this.
Fair enough.

Thank-you for all your efforts in maintaining and publicising the
uk.media.tv.sky FAQ which, as you say in the FAQ, is a 'thankless task'.

john

JohnT wrote:

The link in my sig that you quote above is a link to the Google cache
of the latest Usenet version of the FAQ.
Which bizarrely is a link to a French website http://groups.google.fr/

It may be that at the time of creating the link I was using a laptop
with its Windows regional settings set to France (Google responds to
this) though it makes no real difference in the end. The reference is
to the original usenet article and this is cached by Google US no
matter which national Google portal one uses to access it.


As your Tiny link (http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy) auto-directs the reader to
http://groups.google.fr had I followed that instruction to post in the
group in which I read it I would have posted to Google's French site, which
I didn't think would be helpful.

You don't seem to understand. You may have seen the cached message on
a French Google server but you could just as well have seen it on the
US, UK, Italian, German or South African servers, or indeed any
others. The original article is in uk.tech.tv.sky and any follow-up
would have gone there, no matter where it was posted from or whether
it was posted via Google Groups or not.


Changes should only be made after due discussion here
It would be helpful to say that in the FAQ rather than inviting people to
"Write a better one" - I have now removed the HTML version I did.

You didn't need to remove your work: you could have just posted your
proposed changes and started a discussion about it here. This was the
whole point of my reply. I will be happy to participate in any such
discussion and, who knows, others may also be interested.
Don't all rush at once though.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

We appreciate you efforts even if the original author does not !!
"JohnT" wrote in message
...
Hi Jomtien

I followed the link you posted here to the FAQ at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy

I have done a little re-working of the FAQ, updating links, deleting
outdated links and adding some hypertext links; hope you approve?

I have posted it to a webserver for your perusal and if you are happy with
it maybe you could replace official FAQ with this one:
http://www.usenetz.clara.net/FAQ_uk.tech.tv.sky.htm

It could still be made more user-friendly if others have the time ;-)

Cheers

john

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:26:41 +0100, "sjc"
wrote:

We appreciate you efforts even if the original author does not !!

An I think you are rather rude the original author spent a lot
of time maintaining this FAQ.
He has set out a way of people to make suggestions. Not just rip his
work away and take over.
Dan

[email protected] wrote:

He has set out a way of people to make suggestions.

Not just "a" way but the universally accepted usenet way, if there is
such a thing. The general procedure for group FAQs is to discuss them
in the group and to achieve some sort of consensus. This seems very
fair and reasonable to me. I've certainly always tried to adhere to it
and would never try to deny anyone the right to say what they want in
any such discussion.

Sadly many potential contributors don't seem to understand this and,
for no reason obvious to me, get upset.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/yvnsy
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)