W/S and film titles

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:59:15 -0000, "RobertJM"
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Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in
full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be
because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do.

Can you give an example? It's pretty common for films on analogue
channels to be shown in letterbox while the opening titles are on,
then quickly switch to 4:3, but I've never seen the opposite happen...

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:59:15 -0000, "RobertJM"
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Can you give an example?

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RobertJM wrote:
Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are
not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are
finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they
obviously do.

RobertJM

The size of the picture is reduced slightly so that those (unfortunate)
people watching Sky with the 4:3 centre cut out option don't miss the
writing.

Sim

In article , "RobertJM"
wrote:

Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are not in
full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are finished? can't be
because titles dont fit the screen because they obviously do.

RobertJM

This is for the benefit of people with 4x3 televisions who have set
their box to fill the TV screenand cut off the sides of the picture (as
opposed to letterbox with the whole picture with black bands top and
bottom, which a lot of people don't like). Since the full-screen option
would clip some of the titles Sky run the opening in reduced size with a
frame all round. They will also do this if there are mid-film captions
which would be clipped. For people with a widescreen TV it's irritating.
interestingly, the BBC don't bother to do this - people using full 4x3
screen just have to put up with it.

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:49:35 GMT, Roger Wilmut
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This is for the benefit of people with 4x3 televisions who have set
their box to fill the TV screenand cut off the sides of the picture (as
opposed to letterbox with the whole picture with black bands top and
bottom, which a lot of people don't like). Since the full-screen option
would clip some of the titles Sky run the opening in reduced size with a
frame all round. They will also do this if there are mid-film captions
which would be clipped. For people with a widescreen TV it's irritating.
interestingly, the BBC don't bother to do this - people using full 4x3
screen just have to put up with it.

Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway - you will
always have graphics and captions going off the edges of the screen if
you watch in fullscreen mode.

I didn't know that Sky still reduced the picture size during titles -
I remember watching, I think it was Ocean's Eleven on Sky Box Office
just after they'd gone widescreen, and noticed that the titles were
oddly pillarboxed, yet when the same movie came on the regular Sky
movie channels a little while back, the titles remained full
widescreen.

Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway

Not true. Most BBC programmes are (annoyingly) 4:3 safe. I think perhaps
your TV has too much cut-off.

Ant wrote:

Nothing the BBC makes in widescreen is 4:3 safe anyway - you will
always have graphics and captions going off the edges of the screen if
you watch in fullscreen mode.

On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on
BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary. They also frame shots
so that no important part of the action ever falls outside the 4:3
boundary. The W/S images on BBC productions look nice and have better
framing but that's all. I remember watching the minute's silence last
November and the framing had some pretty trees in the W/S shot that
were missing from the 4:3 shot but the 4:3 shot still had all the
people in it.

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 08:24:48 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on
BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary.

Try watching something like The Weakest Link, and tell me it doesn't
look odd.

Ant wrote:

On the contrary, all the graphics and DOGs that I have ever seen on
BBC W/S productions are within the 4:3 boundary.

Try watching something like The Weakest Link, and tell me it doesn't
look odd.

Botox does indeed make you look odd. I can't say that there is
anything odd about the W/S framing though.

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Charlie Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:22:37 -0000, "simtan"
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RobertJM wrote:
Why, when some/all? widescreen films are on, the opening titles are
not in full widescreen then go to widescreen when titles are
finished? can't be because titles dont fit the screen because they
obviously do.

RobertJM

The size of the picture is reduced slightly so that those
(unfortunate) people watching Sky with the 4:3 centre cut out option
don't miss the writing.

You're kidding! If people have deliberately chosen to chop off the
sides of 16:9 material, then they should get what's coming to them ;-)

Yep - but most people who watch in this format haven't "deliberately" chosen
to do this.

All Sky - and most Freeview - digital TV receivers are delivered set-up for
4:3 full-frame output (not 16:9 full frame or 16:9 letterbox in 4:3) If
they aren't aware of widescreen broadcasting - which they might not be then
the chances are they won't know to change to letterbox. So not deliberate -
just default....

Much more could be done to educate the wider general public about widescreen
and widescreen switching.

I'm sure many people are watching Sky Digital in 4:3 stretched to fill a
16:9 TV or Plasma, when they could be watching in 16:9 anamorphic... But
then there are also probably lods of people watching via a mono RF
connection rather than an RGB Scart....

Steve