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Old December 26th 03, 09:42 AM
Tron[ADS]
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Im considering having a go at this promotion code £99 Sky+ thing, but one
thing concerns me, ive seen mention that some people are getting generation
1 boxes, and some generation 2's.
I was under the impression that there was little differences between them,
and what was different was firmware updatable. I am also aware there are
some differences when updating the hard drive within.

If this is so, why is this an issue for people.

Are there any serious differences to be aware of ? I dont want to risk
ordering one if I'm going to get a duffer.


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Old December 26th 03, 12:00 PM
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Tron[ADS] wrote:

Are there any serious differences to be aware of?


Other than a slightly different layout internally, and the usual
tighter integration of electronic components, they are essentially the
same.

You could argue that the V1 design means that the drive is more prone to
overheating (and thus shorter lifespan) but really, neither design has
sufficient cooling in my opinion, so it's pretty academic.

Regards

Mark
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Old December 27th 03, 08:35 AM
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Mark A wrote:

Other than a slightly different layout internally, and the usual
tighter integration of electronic components, they are essentially the
same.


Hmm.

The V2 accepts both 7200 and 5400 rpm drives should you wish to
upgrade.

The V1 mostly only accepts 5400 rpm drives.

5400 rpm drives are no longer being made, AFAIK.

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Old December 27th 03, 10:51 AM
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Jomtien wrote:

The V1 mostly only accepts 5400 rpm drives.


So the two 7200 drives I've had working quite happily in my V1 obviously
didn't know that, otherwise they wouldn't have worked as flawlessly as
they did, and still do.

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Old December 28th 03, 09:33 AM
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Mark A wrote:

The V1 mostly only accepts 5400 rpm drives.


So the two 7200 drives I've had working quite happily in my V1 obviously
didn't know that, otherwise they wouldn't have worked as flawlessly as
they did, and still do.


As I said, the V1 unit *mostly* only accepts 5400rpm drives. There are
some exceptions but the choice of drives for V1 units is very limited
when compared with the V2 units and it's getting smaller. Worth
bearing in mind, I think.

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Old December 28th 03, 10:56 AM
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Jomtien wrote:

As I said, the V1 unit *mostly* only accepts 5400rpm drives. There are
some exceptions but the choice of drives for V1 units is very limited
when compared with the V2 units and it's getting smaller. Worth
bearing in mind, I think.


If you go to digitalspy's list of working drives you'll see the vast
majority are Maxtor drives for both versions, and the one's that work in
the V2 also work in the V1, so I really don't know what you're on about.

Regards

Mark
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Old December 29th 03, 08:07 AM
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Mark A wrote:

As I said, the V1 unit *mostly* only accepts 5400rpm drives. There are
some exceptions but the choice of drives for V1 units is very limited
when compared with the V2 units and it's getting smaller. Worth
bearing in mind, I think.


If you go to digitalspy's list of working drives you'll see the vast
majority are Maxtor drives for both versions, and the one's that work in
the V2 also work in the V1, so I really don't know what you're on about.


Those websites contain a vast amount of nonsense interspersed with
nuggets of truth.
The main point is that 5400rpm drives are in the process of becoming
extinct which means that the choice of drive for the V1 is becoming
smaller every day, though not for the V2. This is what I am on about.
It seems clear enough.

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Old December 29th 03, 01:51 PM
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Jomtien wrote:

The main point is that 5400rpm drives are in the process of becoming
extinct which means that the choice of drive for the V1 is becoming
smaller every day, though not for the V2. This is what I am on about.
It seems clear enough.


Which would be meaningful were it not in any way shape or form true that
V1 machines can't handle 7500 drives, because they absolutely can, and
absolutely do, thus rendering your statement pointless and misleading.

If you checked you'd see that the vast majority of drives that have
actually been proven to work are first Maxtor, then Samsung, then IBM.
Drives from other makes have troubles in both V1s and V2s, irrespective
of their spin speed.

Both versions were designed by Pace to have 40Gb Maxtor drives. Anything
else is outside their spec and a matter of good fortune if it should
happen to work.

Regards

Mark
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Old December 30th 03, 09:00 AM
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Mark A wrote:

Which would be meaningful were it not in any way shape or form true that
V1 machines can't handle 7500 drives, because they absolutely can, and
absolutely do, thus rendering your statement pointless and misleading.


And I say again that mostly the V1 units have trouble with 7200rpm
drives. They don't have so much trouble with 5400rpm drives. This
seems to be related to the spin-up time though it may also be brand
related. The V2 units generally don't have trouble with drives due to
the spindle speed/spin-up time though they do have trouble with some
brands for other reasons.
What this boils down to is that drives that work in V1 units are in
shorter supply than drives that will work in V2 units. And the choice
is narrowing. This is worth bearing in mind, as I said. I have a V1
unit.

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