SKYBUY - do they break EU law?

I saw on SKY magazine (current issue) SKYBUY offer for a 42 inch
plasma TV.

It also says that if you buy such TV AND you subsrcibe to SKy+, you
get back 200 UKP.

Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+, this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

I do not know if only UK citizens can buy this 42 inch plasma TV from
SKYBUY but if that is true also, it makes it worse.

Any comments?
Bubo

In article ,
(Replicator Creator) wrote:

I saw on SKY magazine (current issue) SKYBUY offer for a 42 inch
plasma TV.

It also says that if you buy such TV AND you subsrcibe to SKy+, you
get back 200 UKP.

Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+,

Not true. Anyone living in the UK can - and presumably in the British
Isles. Whether or not such a person is a UK citizen is irrelevant. It's
where you live which determines who will sell you European subscription
services, not what nationality you are. The only exception to that I know
of is Switzerland - which of course is not an EU country.

this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

Not true.

I do not know if only UK citizens can buy this 42 inch plasma TV from
SKYBUY but if that is true also, it makes it worse.

I saw on SKY magazine (current issue) SKYBUY offer for a 42 inch
plasma TV.

It also says that if you buy such TV AND you subsrcibe to SKy+, you
get back 200 UKP.

Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+, this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

I do not know if only UK citizens can buy this 42 inch plasma TV from
SKYBUY but if that is true also, it makes it worse.

Any comments?
Bubo

do they actually ship abroad? if they do im sure the cost of it and
insurance would outweigh the benifit.
they are a uk company who sell there services to the UK and the offers are
listed in a magazine you recieve in the UK so they dont really need to
consider it, its not like there a multinational like Microsoft (even they
have promotions which only are avaliable to certain countries). almost every
single similar offer i know of it states countries that are legible.

just buy one from a more local company, its far more convenient. a plasma
would probably get broken on the journey anyway

In article ,
Replicator Creator wrote:
Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+, this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

It is perfectly legal for a company to discriminate on grounds of
geography.

Dave
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David Marshall ) writes:
In article ,
Replicator Creator wrote:
Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+, this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

It is perfectly legal for a company to discriminate on grounds of
geography.

Dave
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I think it is legal to charge the customer geographically
(shipping cost, etc). but it is not legal to give a discount
for a product for one EU citizen and not to give the same
for another EU citizen. A non UK citizen can not get any
can not have any disadvantage for the same service.
The UKP 200 money back offer if you subscribe to SKy+ simply
abjudicates non UK but EU citizens which is against the EU
directives and laws. I think the poster is right.
Joe

Simon Gardner [dot]co[dot]uk) writes:
In article ,
(Replicator Creator) wrote:

I saw on SKY magazine (current issue) SKYBUY offer for a 42 inch
plasma TV.

It also says that if you buy such TV AND you subsrcibe to SKy+, you
get back 200 UKP.

Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+,

Not true. Anyone living in the UK can - and presumably in the British
Isles. Whether or not such a person is a UK citizen is irrelevant. It's
where you live which determines who will sell you European subscription
services, not what nationality you are. The only exception to that I know
of is Switzerland - which of course is not an EU country.

this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

Not true.

I do not know if only UK citizens can buy this 42 inch plasma TV from
SKYBUY but if that is true also, it makes it worse.






Since only UK citizens can subscribe to SKY+,

Not true. Anyone living in the UK can - and presumably in the British
Isles. Whether or not such a person is a UK citizen is irrelevant. It's
where you live which determines who will sell you European subscription
services, not what nationality you are. The only exception to that I know
of is Switzerland - which of course is not an EU country.

I am not talking about SKY sub, I am talking about a discount of a TV set
selling
service which excludes non UK resident EU citizens.
OK, then I mean "UK residents" What is the difference?
SKYBUY differentiates giving you the 200 UKP discount depending where
the EU you live.
If you live where SKY can be subscribed then you can use the 200 UKP money
back offer. If you do not live there, you can not. This is connected
to the purchase television set, I am not talking about SKY subscription
here
this offer discriminate
EU citizens regarding countries (ie: UK and other) and gives a choice
to UK citizens which choice can not be given to other EU citizens.

Not true.
Yes, true

In article ,
Joseph Szadai wrote:
I think it is legal to charge the customer geographically
(shipping cost, etc). but it is not legal to give a discount
for a product for one EU citizen and not to give the same
for another EU citizen.

It is perfectly legal to charge people difference prices (or indeed refuse
to supply at all) depending on their location.

The majority of the legal limits aren't on businesses but on governments -
to stop them restricting trade. The intention was never to force companies
to become multinationals against their wishes.

Dave
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David Marshall ) writes:
In article ,
Joseph Szadai wrote:
I think it is legal to charge the customer geographically
(shipping cost, etc). but it is not legal to give a discount
for a product for one EU citizen and not to give the same
for another EU citizen.

It is perfectly legal to charge people difference prices (or indeed refuse
to supply at all) depending on their location.

The majority of the legal limits aren't on businesses but on governments -
to stop them restricting trade. The intention was never to force companies
to become multinationals against their wishes.

Dave
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Dear Dave,

You misunderstand the whole issue. If I tell SKYBUY that I wanna
buy a very expensive 42 inch plasma TV, they can not say:
"I am sorry, you are not UK resident so I can not sell it to you"
It is simply against the EU law.
If I go to a shop in the UK and want to buy a TV set, they can not
ask my identity cards in order to decide where I am from and depending
on that to decide if they refuse or not.
A supplier can refuse selling but not based on if the buyer is living
in UK or not. They can not even ask where I live.
Of course they might say "OK, but we can not give you warranty, only
if you bring it to us for repair or pay the freight cost from say
Greece (if you live there).

The problem is that they offer a choice - if you subscribe to SKY+
you get 200 UKP back. An offer which can be chosed only by UK
residents. This makes difference between EU citizens and it is not
permitted.

David Marshall ) writes:
In article ,
Joseph Szadai wrote:
I think it is legal to charge the customer geographically
(shipping cost, etc). but it is not legal to give a discount
for a product for one EU citizen and not to give the same
for another EU citizen.

It is perfectly legal to charge people difference prices (or indeed refuse
to supply at all) depending on their location.

The majority of the legal limits aren't on businesses but on governments -
to stop them restricting trade. The intention was never to force companies
to become multinationals against their wishes.

Dave
--
Email: MSN Messenger:

David Marshall ) writes:
In article ,
Joseph Szadai wrote:
I think it is legal to charge the customer geographically
(shipping cost, etc). but it is not legal to give a discount
for a product for one EU citizen and not to give the same
for another EU citizen.

It is perfectly legal to charge people difference prices (or indeed refuse
to supply at all) depending on their location.

The majority of the legal limits aren't on businesses but on governments -
to stop them restricting trade. The intention was never to force companies
to become multinationals against their wishes.

Dave
--
Email: MSN Messenger:


The majority of the legal limits aren't on businesses but on governments -
to stop them restricting trade. The intention was never to force companies
to become multinationals against their wishes.
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it is not about a company becoming multinational. is it about a company
selling TV set and giving you a choice to get back 200 UKP, a choice
which is given based on location within the EU.
It is not permitted.
this choice is dicriminative.