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In article , digisat
wrote:
Why not upgrade to Sky+

Sky+ Pace V2 Box & Quad LNB only €300

£100 over RRP !

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In message , "Andy Luckman (AJL
Electronics)" writes
In article , digisat
wrote:
Why not upgrade to Sky+

Sky+ Pace V2 Box & Quad LNB only €300

£100 over RRP !


The price quoted was in Euros, not Pounds, it probably works out about
correct.

Although he does neglect to mention the permanent UK phone connection
required for a Sky+ subscription! - this has been introduced by Sky
without telling anyone, and without been written in the contracts yet.
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Nigel.

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Nigel Goodwin wrote in message ...
In message , "Andy Luckman (AJL
Electronics)" writes
In article , digisat
wrote:
Why not upgrade to Sky+

Sky+ Pace V2 Box & Quad LNB only €300

£100 over RRP !


The price quoted was in Euros, not Pounds, it probably works out about
correct.

Although he does neglect to mention the permanent UK phone connection
required for a Sky+ subscription! - this has been introduced by Sky
without telling anyone, and without been written in the contracts yet.
--
Nigel.

Nigel I appreciate you pointing out the mistake by Andy and yes it
does work out the same . However, you may need a phone line connection
in the UK for first time users, these boxes, including standard
digiboxes I sell are from southern Ireland such restrictions are not
vaild, never have been, when the product is bought out right. I have
many many sky+ and standard digibox users all over europe
unfortunately most off them paid a higher price, its only now we here
in Ireland can compete with Uk prices, the only real differance is the
national channels, but thats only if you wanted a card with your
product, my advert is based towards anyone in main land Europe that
would like to upgrade, there old standard digibox keeping there own
card and availing of the latest product "sky+" at an affordable price.

My price is fair and just, theres no wrong doing here, and there never
has been, my prices have always been very low with a small profit
margin, I deal in volume and to be honest most of my business is
trade, the sales from google groups are very small, probable because
of all the misleading information. I think all the suppliers will
agree with me on that......

....anyway thats all I have to say on the matter, although I might just
look up all those old post from over a year ago, and reply to those
prats who at that time refered to me as basically a con man, assholes
..

Marty
http://www.skydigitalcards.com

digisat wrote:

My price is fair and just, theres no wrong doing here, and there never
has been, my prices have always been very low with a small profit
margin, I deal in volume and to be honest most of my business is
trade, the sales from google groups are very small, probable because
of all the misleading information.

Maybe if you replied to your potential customers with something better
than "**** off and don't waste my time again" (like you did with me)
your sales would improve, may I suggest...

...anyway thats all I have to say on the matter, although I might just
look up all those old post from over a year ago, and reply to those
prats who at that time refered to me as basically a con man, assholes

Don't know about that, but you're certainly an idiot, that's for sure.

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In message , digisat
writes
Nigel I appreciate you pointing out the mistake by Andy and yes it
does work out the same . However, you may need a phone line connection
in the UK for first time users, these boxes, including standard
digiboxes I sell are from southern Ireland such restrictions are not
vaild, never have been, when the product is bought out right. .

Hi Marty,

It's not just for first time users, there's no subsidy on Sky+ boxes
(and never has been), you buy them outright at full retail price. It's a
condition of using a Sky+ that you have a permanent phone connection, I
couldn't swear to it been a condition in the ROI, but it is in the UK -
Sky have only just decided to inform the ASA network of this (verbally,
nothing in writing yet) and there's nothing actually written in the
contracts yet either.

I would suggest you contact your Sky representative and ask him to
clarify the situation in the ROI.
--
Nigel.

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Nigel Goodwin wrote in message ...
In message , digisat
writes
Nigel I appreciate you pointing out the mistake by Andy and yes it
does work out the same . However, you may need a phone line connection
in the UK for first time users, these boxes, including standard
digiboxes I sell are from southern Ireland such restrictions are not
vaild, never have been, when the product is bought out right. .

Hi Marty,

It's not just for first time users, there's no subsidy on Sky+ boxes
(and never has been), you buy them outright at full retail price. It's a
condition of using a Sky+ that you have a permanent phone connection, I
couldn't swear to it been a condition in the ROI, but it is in the UK -
Sky have only just decided to inform the ASA network of this (verbally,
nothing in writing yet) and there's nothing actually written in the
contracts yet either.

I would suggest you contact your Sky representative and ask him to
clarify the situation in the ROI.
--


Hello again Nigel

Emm.. I took your advise on board and rang sky's asa dept today,
basically the phone line condition is for subsidiesed boxes for first
time users who take up a discounted installation fee, if a phone line
is not connected, it does not affect you nor does it prevent the box's
working, either standard or any of the sky+ functions pause,
rewind or record, it merely prevents fuctions like PPV, games or
shopping etc... as it always has done.

The only thing this phone line condition affects is, if someone was to
take out a second discounted subscription and not connect both boxes
to same working phone line, then they would be onto you alright,
although they would simple just charge you the current relavant
subscription fee.

"verbal" or not, its going to be very very hard for sky to enforce any
changes to the way these boxes work at present, there must be at least
1 Million customers out there with no phone line connection, remember
the phone line connection only came into operation after nearly a year
from sky introducing there digital service to the market, what sky
should have done was, before they released there first sky+ box and it
would'nt have taken much to do it, they should have put some kind of
software block on the box with some kind of annoying message on the
screen every 10-15 minutes, "This settop box is not connected to a
phone line blah blah, that would have put a stop to all these overseas
sales into main land Europe, and me out of a internet business.

Anyway, some smart arse would have probable came up with something to
counter act the message, like the digi dialers , but for now and
hopefully not to soon sales will continue both from here and the UK
into Europe.

Personally what I think sky will do is, early next year we will have a
new sports or movie pack only available on the sky+ service, it will
be an interactive channel like what there doing with sky sports extra
8 screens and select a match or movie of your choice and all that
stuff. And if your not connected to a phone line it just wont work, as
the years pass they will only add new channels to the sky+ service and
then discontinue the standard box, like the way they did it with
analogue, in my estimation this wont take long probable by the start
of 2006, the standard box wont function for sky channels thats if any
are left on the service at that stage.

In message , digisat
writes
Emm.. I took your advise on board and rang sky's asa dept today,
basically the phone line condition is for subsidiesed boxes for first
time users who take up a discounted installation fee, if a phone line
is not connected, it does not affect you nor does it prevent the box's
working, either standard or any of the sky+ functions pause,
rewind or record, it merely prevents fuctions like PPV, games or
shopping etc... as it always has done.

Hi Marty,

As you already know there are no subsidised Sky+ boxes, the price is
full retail with no restrictions, so this makes no sense at all!.

I'm interested in hearing you have rang Sky's ASA dept today, I've never
heard of such a thing (and I work for an ASA dealer who does a lot of
Sky business, perhaps you would care to privately email the number?).
Any such contacts are through your Sky representative, who are currently
advising the ASA dealers of the phone requirement on Sky+ subscriptions
(not installations).
--

Nigel.

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Nigel Goodwin wrote in message ...
In message , digisat
writes
Emm.. I took your advise on board and rang sky's asa dept today,
basically the phone line condition is for subsidiesed boxes for first
time users who take up a discounted installation fee, if a phone line
is not connected, it does not affect you nor does it prevent the box's
working, either standard or any of the sky+ functions pause,
rewind or record, it merely prevents fuctions like PPV, games or
shopping etc... as it always has done.

Hi Marty,

As you already know there are no subsidised Sky+ boxes, the price is
full retail with no restrictions, so this makes no sense at all!.

I'm interested in hearing you have rang Sky's ASA dept today, I've never
heard of such a thing (and I work for an ASA dealer who does a lot of
Sky business, perhaps you would care to privately email the number?).
Any such contacts are through your Sky representative, who are currently
advising the ASA dealers of the phone requirement on Sky+ subscriptions
(not installations).
--

Nigel.

Its no secret Nigel the "ASA dept" or the "Sky Retailer Hot Line"
from Ireland is 1800 40 90 59, (maybe someone here you know could
confirm that) why do you doubt me, you have said yourself that theres
no restrictions, for sky+, the boxes will function as normal, you just
dont get to use the functions like PPV, Games, or shopping if a phone
line is not connected, everything eles is as is, record, rewind, and
pause, somebody is misleading you,iam not the only person selling
these boxes.

Of course sky are going to say you need a phone line, but its not
contractual and nor does it affect the sky+ functions, basically they
want you to use the PPV, shopping and games etc, to create extra
revenue for themselfs and there advertisers.

Sky have to been seen as trying to put a stop to these overseas sales,
but at the end of the day, they cant really do anything about it, and
might I also point out that sky have never ever switched of a sky card
because its not connected to phone. They simple cant start now its
just to late in the game.

Surely now 6+ years on, you must realise theres hundreds of thousands,
sky doxes all over main land Europe, not so many sky+ but thats
because its relatively new to the market, actualy they have only sold
over one hundred thousand
http://skydigitalcards.com/forum/php...wtopic.php?t=8

Anyway, I dont think iam going to change your mind on this topic, but
I would suggest you search the net, and contact all of these othere
suppliers, they will tell you the same thing, "NO phone line, no
problem" they will also charge you, well some, nearly double the RRP.

Regards for now
Marty
http://www.skydigitalcards.com

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