News Item: Last-minute deal on free-to-air satellite

NO LOGO wrote:


The Media Guardian reports that it has been announced in Parliament that
Sky will offer FTV cards soon for £20 each.

If it was announced in the Commons around midday, you could've watched live
on BBC2, BBC News 24, ITV News & Sky News. All at the same time.

Such is the farce of Freeview.
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"Laurence Taylor" wrote in message
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NO LOGO wrote:

The Media Guardian reports that it has been announced in Parliament that
Sky will offer FTV cards soon for £20 each.


£20? Not very "free", is it? Blank cards are under a pound each in
bulk.

Maybe some enterprising soul with a programmer could do a better rate?
After all, since they are for the "free" channels, no-one is being
defrauded of income, are they?

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LAurence

... This statement is false.

Unwelcome attachment in message.
Mike.



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Mike GW8IJT wrote:
Unwelcome attachment in message.
Mike.

Nah - just Outlook Express's way of telling you it's crap.

It thinks any line beginning "beginspsp" is an attachment,
even if it's part of a sentence. Can you
begin to believe how stupid that is?

Zane.

Mike GW8IJT wrote:
"Laurence Taylor" wrote in message
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NO LOGO wrote:

The Media Guardian reports that it has been announced in Parliament
that Sky will offer FTV cards soon for £20 each.


£20? Not very "free", is it? Blank cards are under a pound each in
bulk.

Maybe some enterprising soul with a programmer could do a better
rate? After all, since they are for the "free" channels, no-one is
being defrauded of income, are they?

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LAurence

... This statement is false.

Unwelcome attachment in message.
Mike.

No there wasn't.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:52:24 +0000, Laurence Taylor
wrote:

Maybe some enterprising soul with a programmer could do a better rate?
After all, since they are for the "free" channels, no-one is being
defrauded of income, are they?

To do that you'd have to crack one of the more important parts of
Videoguard, which would earn you enough to buy everyone in the UK a
card at £22 each ...

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Mike GW8IJT said this:

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LAurence

... This statement is false.

Unwelcome attachment in message.

Gotcha.

Zane Wilson said this:

In article ,
Mike GW8IJT wrote:
Unwelcome attachment in message.
Mike.

Nah - just Outlook Express's way of telling you it's crap.

It thinks any line beginning "beginspsp" is an attachment,
even if it's part of a sentence. Can you
begin to believe how stupid that is?

It's incredibly stupid. I've asked Microsoft nicely to fix it many times,
but they never even
begin to think about listening to me.

"Mike GW8IJT" wrote in news:[email protected]
152947.news.uni-berlin.de:

Unwelcome attachment in message.

No, he was playing the infamous Outlook 'begin ' trick; Outlook has a
major usability bug in it which means that if a line begins with 'begin ',
then it interprets all text after that as an attachment. There are a lot of
people out there, especially amongst those that frequent UNIX advocacy
groups, who like to spoof VBS virii and stuff like that using this trick;
the entire point of it is, generally, to start a flamewar.

[Below here, we have an example of this trick. A phantom attachment called
1234.vbs will appear if you're using OE. Oh dear.]

Microsoft *do* know about this bug, but steadfastly refuse to fix it (the
entry in the Knowledge Base [http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=265230]
says, and I quote, "do not start messages with the word 'begin' followed by
two spaces" as a fix). The easy way to fix it? Get a better newsreader than
OE. I recommend Xnews; Microplanet Gravity (now discontinued freeware) and
Agent are also very good.

As an extra plus, you'll be able to get *real* USENET binaries much
better...

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"Inquisitor" wrote in message
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"Mike GW8IJT" wrote in news:[email protected]
152947.news.uni-berlin.de:

Unwelcome attachment in message.

No, he was playing the infamous Outlook 'begin ' trick; Outlook has a
major usability bug in it which means that if a line begins with 'begin
',
then it interprets all text after that as an attachment. There are a lot
of
people out there, especially amongst those that frequent UNIX advocacy
groups, who like to spoof VBS virii and stuff like that using this trick;
the entire point of it is, generally, to start a flamewar.

[Below here, we have an example of this trick. A phantom attachment called
1234.vbs will appear if you're using OE. Oh dear.]

Microsoft *do* know about this bug, but steadfastly refuse to fix it (the
entry in the Knowledge Base [http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=265230]
says, and I quote, "do not start messages with the word 'begin' followed
by
two spaces" as a fix). The easy way to fix it? Get a better newsreader
than
OE. I recommend Xnews; Microplanet Gravity (now discontinued freeware) and
Agent are also very good.

As an extra plus, you'll be able to get *real* USENET binaries much
better...

I presume the fix is for OE to treat "begin " as normal text unless a
matching "end" can be found somewhere before the end of the email. I wonder
why MS haven't fixed this.

Even if they fix that bug, there is still a rarer case: where there are two
real lines of text which begin "begin " and "end" respectively. I imagine
that problem can't be solved. Or if it can, how do other mail/newsreaders
get round it.

"Martin Underwood" wrote in
s.com:

I presume the fix is for OE to treat "begin " as normal text unless a
matching "end" can be found somewhere before the end of the email. I
wonder why MS haven't fixed this.

"begin filename" shouldn't even identify an attachment - an attachment
should have UNIX-style file permissions, as in "begin 644 filename".

This probably originates from a majorly broken piece of Internet software
from the early days - most Microsoft problems originate this way - but
it's still a Bad Thing.

Even if they fix that bug, there is still a rarer case: where there
are two real lines of text which begin "begin " and "end"
respectively. I imagine that problem can't be solved. Or if it can,
how do other mail/newsreaders get round it.

Easy: they just actually check for UUencoded/Yenced data between the
lines. If the attachment doesn't follow the specific formats needed for
UU/Yenc, it doesn't show as an attachment.

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