The BBC Regions and those abbreviations

"Chris Vowles" wrote in
message ...
BBC Regions and abbreviations on Sky Digital platform, there are some
corkers, the best one has to be BBC 1 EYks&L, no wonder they have left
some of the DOGs on for now (BBC say they will remove them after
"testing")

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/S...ns.htm#regions

I can work out that you are talking about some kind of on-screen display,
but what does DOGS stand for?

Philip

"ThePunisher" wrote in message ...
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:17:01 +0000 (UTC), "NO LOGO"
wrote:

I know in Sky-land, they view their suckers / customers with
complete contempt and as the lowest form of intelligent life, but
there is no reason for the rest of the world to stoop to this level
of condescension.

As I have stated before, I think the *real* reason that you dislike
DOGs is that it spoils the pirate copies of movies that you are trying
to make.

You got a point there, even if you don't realize it.
In my opinion a program not worth recording is also not worth watching
in the first place (not counting news and live sport)

For BBC programming though the pirate argument doesn't really count:

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:41:15 +0200, "Philip Crookes"
wrote:


"Chris Vowles" wrote in
message ...
BBC Regions and abbreviations on Sky Digital platform, there are some
corkers, the best one has to be BBC 1 EYks&L, no wonder they have left
some of the DOGs on for now (BBC say they will remove them after
"testing")

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/S...ns.htm#regions

I can work out that you are talking about some kind of on-screen display,
but what does DOGS stand for?


Digitally originated graphics (some say digitally onscreen graphics)

Chris

All I want on my screen is the picture.No Dogs,clocks,red dots, banners or
other graffiti.When I see Tony Blair on screen I don't need a red banner
below saying "Tony Blair".
If I press the remote it tells me what channel I'm on,I don't need to be
reminded all the time.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:21:56 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

In article ,
"artnada" wrote:

Why have onscreen DOGS when the EPG quite clearly tells you

Why do you assume that everyone watching BBC channels in the future will
use a $ky box? They don't have to any more.

Doesn't every Digital Satellite Box show the Channel ID, my Humax does

Chris

"Chris Vowles" wrote in
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:21:56 +0100, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk
(Simon Gardner) wrote:

In article ,
"artnada" wrote:

Why have onscreen DOGS when the EPG quite clearly tells you

Why do you assume that everyone watching BBC channels in the future will
use a $ky box? They don't have to any more.

Doesn't every Digital Satellite Box show the Channel ID, my Humax does

Chris



I press the remote on my Humax and up comes the ID. British TV is dogged by
Dogs.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:55:55 +0100, "austin500"
wrote:



I press the remote on my Humax and up comes the ID.

Indeed that should be enought for anyone, why does it matter if you
are watching a show on BBC, ITV, Ch4, five, Sky etc etc, I watch
television programmes not television channels

in addition a channel number is displayed on almost every digital sat
receiver and even names in some cases (even my Analogue MSS300 does
it, although it is a manual process to set the names up)

British TV is dogged by
Dogs.


It is, and many other countries are even worse offenders, channels
such as the WB affiliates in the states have massive dogs about an
eighth of the screen, and as for adverts, they seem to happen even
more than Sky1


Chris

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:34:40 +0100, Chris Vowles
wrote:

in addition a channel number is displayed on almost every digital sat
receiver and even names in some cases (even my Analogue MSS300 does
it, although it is a manual process to set the names up)

So you need a DOG to really confirm what channel you are on as you might have
manually set up the wrong name:-)

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"NO LOGO" wrote in message
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I did look this up 2 years ago, and I found the MPEG2 protocols used for
streaming video actually include description fields for:

the name of channel
the title of programme
classification data (such as 15, 18)

It is in the Internationally ratified protocol definitions used for
transmission to include "channel identification". I doubt there is a
Digital
Television receiver on the market today, that can not extract this data.



Channel description is intrinsic and inherent to digital transmission.

A major broadcaster like the BBC and yes Sky One, should not need a DOG
for
"identification" of what are already the most popular channels within
their
respective genres. When Sky One became dogged on 01/10/1996, it was
already
the most popular cable / satellite channel in the UK.

I can understand DOGs on shopping channels who might be leasing
transmission
space, however nobody gives a **** about shopping channels.

The objections to DOGs, are that they disrupt a visual media, and some
viewers find this wholly inappropriate within their viewing choices. I do
not watch channels with DOGs, and am very happy with about 7 channels
thank
you.


DOGs are for marketing and branding, and nothing else. Not for viewers.
Not
for the public. Not for Copyright control (at least within this country).

There are numerous statements to this effect direct from Directors of
broadcasters at http://logofreetv.org/.

BBC THREE and BBC FOUR have DOGs because the BBC Executive thinks they
need
this "branding" to deface distinctive public service programmes such as
"Alistair Cooke's America" or "Jacob Bronowski's Ascent of Man". However,
not one member of the BBC Executive would dare to back up their argument
with research, evidence, facts, or substantiation.

As for Sky, unsubscribe if you don't like it. You are "free" to make that
"choice".



But apart from DOGS all the other graffiti on the screen is distracting
and annoying.

Thanks for the link to dvdfab - looks usefull, will give it a try out

"Nick Webster" wrote in message
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In article , says...
"Nick Webster" wrote in message
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How do you make a perfect copy of a dual layered DVD movie - on 2 or
more
discs? 4.3Gig is the (current) max on a DVD+/-R

Use a program (http://www.dvdfab.com/) that splits it on to 2 disks.

Slightly more hassle, as you have to change disks during the movie,
but
still the same quality as the original.

I do this all the time for my kids, and keep the originals in a safe
place.

Not a perfect copy but an adequate one :-)

Whoosh I completely missed the point of your original post didn't I.
I try and engage brain now

Regards.
--
Nick Webster