ftv can i get itv2?

"Spares Or Repair" wrote in message
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uk.media.tv.sky , gadget ,

I have cancelled sky and have been cut off. I now get free to view
automaticaly and get all the channels but can i receive itv2 as it is
still
blocked. I am using the new card that i was sent a few months ago
although i
still have my old one. I have read how it is possible to get itv2 ,i do
the
following (Add channels : 10.906 V 22.0 5/6 not 10.906 V 27.5 2/3) and
it
appears to go in but when i check itv2 is still blocked and g54 cant be
found. Any ideas?


Excuse the silly question - but why would you want ITV2 :-)

For Spares or repair perhaps? ;-)

Rather than use a Sky box for FTA, Freeview would be better (Certainly
avoids Sky controlled encryption!)

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In message ,
www.kernow-telecom.co.uk writes
"Martin Jay" wrote in message
...

And what, exactly, is this "mess" they mention? ITV losing its free
ride provided by the BBC, and a lesser extent, Channel Four and Five?

The problem is that *NO-ONE* knows what's gonna happen. The official that
spoke to SDO may not know what's going on either ;P

ITV's always the last to know...

Channel Four and Five appear to have worked out what they're going to
do.

Talk about leaving things to the last minute...
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Martin Jay

"Martin Jay" wrote in message ...
In message , Mike_C
writes

The "mess" is that for a few weeks no one including the BBC were giving
straight answers to simple questions, thus allowing speculation and
rumour to be the only sources of information.

I thought the BBC made it clear it was going FTA some time ago. Perhaps
it's only now that others believe it will happen.


We are talking about FTV allocation and funding, not the BBC going FTA which
granted started the ball rolling with the argument that FTV and the required
encrpytion was too expensive.
Perhaps others did assume this was one big negotiating tactic just like the recently
concluded 101/102 allocation talks that were ongoing or just like ITV1 saying they would
go FTA unless SKY reduced the price of encryption.
Either way no way can look at the situation over the last month and the next week and
claim it's anything other than a "mess".
I've said before in previous posts, I've little objection to the BBC going FTA as along as the
move was inconjunction with other UK terrestrial channels whose sole income is from
advertising/sponsership. I do object to the BBC moving into a stronger position on dsat
and it's DTT operation (Bound to get a boost if there is no FTA on satellite for new digital
or even existing FTV users) thanks to the money that the license fee brings it.




The "mess" is that the BBC who are funded by us are refusing to use our money
to maintain the FTV system and thus denying half a million license fee payers
access to the other terrestrial channels on dsat.

Is it still "our" money once it has been passed to the BBC? Perhaps Sky
-- who receive money from *some* of us -- should use some of "our" money
to foot the bill? Or, perhaps, ITV should foot the bill from "our"
money they receive through advertising revenue?


Yes it is still our money, they are spending it on our behalf in the same way
local and regional government do, well that's the theory
The BBC is a totally different beast to the commercial channels that rely on
persuading subscribers/advertisers to buy their product.
A broadcaster that takes £2.4 billion from the UK public via goodwill/legal
threats has obligations that the commercial broadcasters do not.
The example of having to apply for permission to launch various digital only
channels is one such obligation, yet they have made a far more major move
by going FTA and scrapping the FTV scheme which their rivals relied on and
I would say was part of the plan for UK digital TV (If there was a plan of course,
with the indifference of some regulators and government you begin to wonder).


Channel 4 and Five paid a percentage of the FTV costs, the amount
seemingly in line with their operating budgets and incomes which to me
was reasonable. If the license fee is a true tax on television
ownership or ability to receive UK broadcast television then a
miniscule amount of the £2.4 billion should by rights be used to allow
the commercial terrestrial channels a level playing field on dsat.

Hmmm, well this seems to be an argument about what happens to the TV
licence fee. Unless what you suggest is about to happen, how does ITV
believe the "mess" will be cleared up?
--


I would indeed argue that it is about how the license fee money is spent.
I see the license fee as a BBC tax as simple as that, it has nothing to do with
owning a device that can receive UK TV broadcasts. If that was the true reason then
the revenue could be used for anything related with UK broadcasting both in
the DTT, cable and satellite arenas.
It could be used to allow a public broadcaster to go FTA on digital satellite and
commercials channels who have limited incomes which fluctuate inline with
the economy to join the party without sacrificing their profit margins.

No idea how ITV believe the "mess" should be cleared up, quite frankly
they have lost any right to complain about anything since at least CH4 and Five
contributed to the FTV scheme.
My guess would be that they comfort themselves with nearly 7million dsat users
that subscribe to SKY D and turn their backs on the FTV viewers secure in the
knowledge that they are very likely to move to DTT, cable or take out a SKY subscription.


Mike C

Martin Jay wrote:

I would have though that this is most possible. ITV are already using
the 2D bird with its "limited" footprint. I suspect that they are
waiting to see whether the BBC actually do become FTA or not. After
all, it's not too late for Sky to make the BBC some reasonable offer
for encryption/EPG services.

If ITV had wanted to go FTA why didn't they do it when they joined
digital satellite?

Because they would have been alone? It's much easier to follow when
someone else (the BBC) leads.
There was a lot of speculation at the time from all sides that ITV
might indeed be FTA from launch.


If that isn't a mess then I don't know what is.

However according to the comment I quoted -- "ITV have now contacted SDO
to tell us that they will make an official announcement next week once
the "mess" has cleared up." -- this "mess" will be cleared up by "next
week."

The mess will be cleared up by next week? I'll believe that when I see
it. What they mean is that by next week we will know what the mess
really is.

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In message , Brian McIlwrath
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Martin Jay wrote:

: If ITV had wanted to go FTA why didn't they do it when they joined
: digital satellite?

Bacause ITV need regionally targetted advertising! Also the postion on
programme rights was not then clear. Presumably the BBC have cleared going FTA
with the rights owners - so ITV would not run into trouble in future.
The BBC have also got Sky to agree to the use of their "postcode mapping"
facility - independent of encryption. ITV would also need this if they ever
went FTA.

ITV1 seems to be quite happy being FTV, so I don't understand what
difference being FTA would make to advertising income. Viewers with a
card are already able to choose which ITV1 region they watch. Would
offering that ability to FTA viewers really make much difference?

I wonder what prevented ITV from clearing FTA broadcasting rights with
programme providers and persuading Sky to offer "postcode mapping ...
independent of encryption."

It extremely nice of the BBC to help out ITV in this way.

: Why all the wrangling with Sky about charges and why
: is ITV2 not even FTV let alone being FTA?

Because Sky PAY for ITV2 (which offset part of the encryption cost for ITV1).

And, presumably, the post-code mapping charges, which is what I thought
most of the fuss was originally about between ITV and Sky.

Anyway, a nice bit of snipping on your part. I actually asked:

"If ITV had wanted to go FTA why didn't they do it when they joined
digital satellite? Why all the wrangling with Sky about charges and why
is ITV2 not even FTV let alone being FTA?"

I meant that the second question should be answered with reference to
the first. These questions were asked in response to Jomtien
reply to my previous question, see
, that it was "most
possible" that ITV1 and ITV2 would be broadcast FTA. The point I was
attempting to make is that until now ITV hasn't shown any interest in
going FTA, and has 'piggybacked' on a FTV service funded by others.

Perhaps ITV has always wanted to go FTA, but needed someone else to pave
the way for it. However the fact that ITV2 is currently a subscription
channel on digital satellite doesn't lead to me believe that ITV is
really interested in the principle of FTA or even FTV.
--
Martin Jay

Any update on availability of ITV2 on FTV? The Rugby World Cup is looming
and half the games are on ITV2...


The mess will be cleared up by next week? I'll believe that when I see
it. What they mean is that by next week we will know what the mess
really is.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:20:58 +0100, "Oliver Barnes"
wrote:

Any update on availability of ITV2 on FTV? The Rugby World Cup is looming
and half the games are on ITV2...


The mess will be cleared up by next week? I'll believe that when I see
it. What they mean is that by next week we will know what the mess
really is.



you need any basic sky sub to get ITV2..

Rich
http://netsat.vze.com

On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:22:13 GMT, Rich wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:20:58 +0100, "Oliver Barnes"
wrote:

Any update on availability of ITV2 on FTV? The Rugby World Cup is looming
and half the games are on ITV2...


The mess will be cleared up by next week? I'll believe that when I see
it. What they mean is that by next week we will know what the mess
really is.



you need any basic sky sub to get ITV2..


Need Family package not value package

C