Why does initial guided setup require a landline?
 

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:10:18 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

I dumped my landline two months ago. Unfortunately, it seems that the
first time any Tivo goes through guided setup, you have to have a
landline. Why is this?

Less than an hour before you posted this, MegaZone posted a followup to a
thread titled "TiVo Phone Line Unnecessary?" explaning how to get around
this.........

If, OTOH, you actually want to know _why_, and not just how to get around
it, then you've surely got me stumped.

Maybe it's a shady deal with the Telco monopolies? ;)

Seriously though... I know one bad reason, but that's it: They don't have
to.

It says on the box that you need a phone line, so if it would take blank
amount of time/money to build in the networking stuff before guided setup,
with the added cost of a more complicated guided setup (even if by only
one screen), then why should they do it? You already _need_ a phoneline
(according to the box)...

As mentioned though, this is a _bad_ reason, and one I certainly hope
noone at TiVo would give as the real one ;)

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Lenroc

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:24:00 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

Once E-911 Phase II is completely rolled out (where if I dial 911 from my
cellphone, the 911 operator will know my position within 50-100 meters)
I'll agree.

Until then, I'll keep my landline around, thanks ;)

But, I do agree that TiVo should be able to do guided setup over the 'net,
just like it can do it's daily 'call'...

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Lenroc

* Keeper of the Purple Twilight Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:24:00 -0600:
In article [email protected], Lenroc
wrote:

It says on the box that you need a phone line, so if it would take blank
amount of time/money to build in the networking stuff before guided setup,
with the added cost of a more complicated guided setup (even if by only
one screen), then why should they do it? You already _need_ a phoneline
(according to the box)...

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

Not a chance, cellphone BW is too expensive and not reliable enough to
make the previous technology obsolete. Online gaming could not use a
cellphone to connect, thats just one application.

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David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
The luck that is ordained for you will be coveted by others.

In article [email protected],
Lenroc wrote:

It says on the box that you need a phone line, so if it would take blank
amount of time/money to build in the networking stuff before guided setup,
with the added cost of a more complicated guided setup (even if by only
one screen), then why should they do it? You already _need_ a phoneline
(according to the box)...

As mentioned though, this is a _bad_ reason, and one I certainly hope
noone at TiVo would give as the real one ;)


You guys buy cars, and then complain about buying gasolene?

In article ,
Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

There are ways to wire up a cellphone if thats what ya wanna do.

In article ,
Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Not a chance, cellphone BW is too expensive

Not if it's prepaid. :)

Then its even more expensive per minute.

In article [email protected],
Lenroc wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:24:00 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

Once E-911 Phase II is completely rolled out (where if I dial 911 from my
cellphone, the 911 operator will know my position within 50-100 meters)
I'll agree.

Until then, I'll keep my landline around, thanks ;)

911 would know where you are in a remote car accident if you had a
landline back home?

* Keeper of the Purple Twilight Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:34:51 -0600:
In article , SINNER
wrote:

[...]

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

Not a chance, cellphone BW is too expensive

Not if it's prepaid. :)

Depends on your needs, for normal talk, true, for data transfer no.

and not reliable enough to
make the previous technology obsolete.

It will be.

WILL BE means its not obsolete.

Online gaming could not use a
cellphone to connect, thats just one application.

Online gaming can use broadband (i.e. cable modem) access. Which has
already made dial-up connections obsolete.

Broadband is not widely available, in fact in most locales it is NOT
available, so as I said, it will be quite some time before landlines
become obsolete.
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David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
I don't care where I sit as long as I get fed.
-- Calvin Trillin

* Patrick Bosley Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:35:30 GMT:
In article [email protected],
Lenroc wrote:

It says on the box that you need a phone line, so if it would take blank
amount of time/money to build in the networking stuff before guided setup,
with the added cost of a more complicated guided setup (even if by only
one screen), then why should they do it? You already _need_ a phoneline
(according to the box)...

As mentioned though, this is a _bad_ reason, and one I certainly hope
noone at TiVo would give as the real one ;)

You guys buy cars, and then complain about buying gasolene?

Erm, bad anology, now if he was bitching about needing to plug it in...
--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
Stan, tell them about when Terrance called Philip a testicle ****ting rectal
wart.

* Patrick Bosley Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:37:26 GMT:
In article [email protected],
Lenroc wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:24:00 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

Once E-911 Phase II is completely rolled out (where if I dial 911 from my
cellphone, the 911 operator will know my position within 50-100 meters)
I'll agree.

Until then, I'll keep my landline around, thanks ;)

911 would know where you are in a remote car accident if you had a
landline back home?

What are you talking about? If you dial 911 from your home phone they
know where the call came from, IE if you DID NOT have a landline and
called from your home via cellphone they would know where you are.
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David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
Paralysis through analysis.

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:37:26 +0000, Patrick Bosley wrote:

911 would know where you are in a remote car accident if you had a
landline back home?

How is that relevant to my argument that I'm not getting rid of my
landline until E-911 Phase II is complete?

The point is that when I'm at home, I like knowing that I can pick up the
phone, dial 911, then not even have to talk if I can't...

I don't need for the E-911 stuff to work _anywhere_, I would gladly settle
for it being able to tell the 911 operators both my home address & the
fact that I'm at home when appropriate.

I'll be happier when E-911 does work anywhere, for the reason you
mentioned, but as for right now I'm not willing to give up my landline
because I don't want to lose a 'feature'.

--
Lenroc

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:35:30 +0000, Patrick Bosley wrote:

You guys buy cars, and then complain about buying gasolene?

Uh... I suppose, if I bought a conversion kit (a net adapter) to make the
car work on a different type of fuel (my home network), but I still needed
gasoline to start the engine (guided setup), then yeah, I'd complain.

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Lenroc

While strolling through alt.video.ptv.tivo, Keeper of the Purple
Twilight was overheard plotting:

In article , Nomen
Nescio ] wrote:

Because in the age of cellphones, landlines are obsolete, IMHO.

O clueless one, there are still a ton of places in the US where
there is absolutely NO cellular service.

They'll wake up and join the 21st century soon enough.


If it was as easy as just 'waking up' it would be done already, its a
MONEY issue, so unless you want your beloved cell phone bill to
increase I would be hppy with what you have and forget abouteLandline
obsolesence any time soon.

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David

* Keeper of the Purple Twilight Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:34:16 -0600:
In article , SINNER
wrote:

If it was as easy as just 'waking up' it would be done already, its a
MONEY issue, so unless you want your beloved cell phone bill to
increase I would be hppy with what you have and forget abouteLandline
obsolesence any time soon.

That's the beauty of prepaid...I don't HAVE a cellphone bill. :)

Sure you do, just not at regular intervals, its not prepaid for life
is it?

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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:34:16 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
wrote:


That's the beauty of prepaid...I don't HAVE a cellphone bill. :)

I don't know about yours, but when I had a prepaid phone, I had to
keep replenishing it every 30-45 days with a minimum amount like $10
with everything rolling over. If your is similar, then I'd consider
that monthly a cellphone bill. Either that, or I didn't really have a
true prepaid phone, which is more likely. (at&t Free2go phone)

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:53:56 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:

Sure you do, just not at regular intervals, its not prepaid for life
is it?

Sure is.

Hehehe... I'd like to see that deal.

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Lenroc