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Cox Cable Has the Explorer 8000
To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice....
If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. Other cable companies may have them or be getting them soon. http://cox.com/newservices/ And http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/Exp8000.htm I picked mine up today and returned 2 TiVo's to the store I bought them from last week. Cox in Las Vegas is limiting them to 1 per household. High Definition units should be out around the first of the year. It has 2 tuners and records 40-50 hours. I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. I am posting this here in response to the advice I got here such as "If you don't like the terms TiVo sets out, then get something else" I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. So for you others who don't like it, there is now a choice. And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. But then I just return it. |
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:
To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:
To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me) |
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me) |
"Jack Stringer" wrote
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. $2 more, but less features and reliability (except the ability to record two things at once -- and DirecTiVo does that better). TiVo charges for DirecTV-TiVo combo box users: $5/month, and that covers *all* DirecTV-TiVo combo boxes you might have at your home. The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me) The lifetime subscription is for the lifetime of the unit. It's only for the lifetime of the company if the company lasts a shorter time than the unit (duh). Anyway, that's too much for you, but you'd rather pay forever instead? I'm not making fun of you. If you can't come up with about $500 (recorder + lifetime subscription), then you really have little choice but to rent from the cable company. (But, have you maxed out all your credit cards?) I just can't fathom why someone would rather pay $15/month for the next 5-10 years (or longer) vs. $500 once. But if you want to, go ahead, of course. |
"Jack Stringer" wrote
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. $2 more, but less features and reliability (except the ability to record two things at once -- and DirecTiVo does that better). TiVo charges for DirecTV-TiVo combo box users: $5/month, and that covers *all* DirecTV-TiVo combo boxes you might have at your home. The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me) The lifetime subscription is for the lifetime of the unit. It's only for the lifetime of the company if the company lasts a shorter time than the unit (duh). Anyway, that's too much for you, but you'd rather pay forever instead? I'm not making fun of you. If you can't come up with about $500 (recorder + lifetime subscription), then you really have little choice but to rent from the cable company. (But, have you maxed out all your credit cards?) I just can't fathom why someone would rather pay $15/month for the next 5-10 years (or longer) vs. $500 once. But if you want to, go ahead, of course. |
He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also
Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. "Lenroc" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also
Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. "Lenroc" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. You must not have read any of the reviews from folks that have suffered with trying to use the SA 8000. Lock ups, incomplete records, glitches on playback, spontaneous reboots, unfriendly user interface, missing much of the functionality of a DirecTivo. No reasonable person would call it a real choice. If you dont believe me, just do a Google search, and you'll quickly see I'm understating the problems of the SA8000. |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. You must not have read any of the reviews from folks that have suffered with trying to use the SA 8000. Lock ups, incomplete records, glitches on playback, spontaneous reboots, unfriendly user interface, missing much of the functionality of a DirecTivo. No reasonable person would call it a real choice. If you dont believe me, just do a Google search, and you'll quickly see I'm understating the problems of the SA8000. |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote re SA8000: I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?, Now add on the cost of your Cable bill, and you'll be well over the cost of a DirecTivo for an inferior unit. Then if you want a 2nd unit its $15/month for the bedroom, where as DirecTivo would be $4.99 |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote re SA8000: I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?, Now add on the cost of your Cable bill, and you'll be well over the cost of a DirecTivo for an inferior unit. Then if you want a 2nd unit its $15/month for the bedroom, where as DirecTivo would be $4.99 |
In article ,
"Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. DirecTivo is now down to $99; and no one ever mentions that most Cable Companies also charge you a monthly fee for your remote control. |
In article ,
"Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. DirecTivo is now down to $99; and no one ever mentions that most Cable Companies also charge you a monthly fee for your remote control. |
Yeah DirecTivo. Mayne he cant get Directivo. Like myself. Too many trees.
"Peter Cremel" wrote in message ... In article , "Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. DirecTivo is now down to $99; and no one ever mentions that most Cable Companies also charge you a monthly fee for your remote control. |
Yeah DirecTivo. Mayne he cant get Directivo. Like myself. Too many trees.
"Peter Cremel" wrote in message ... In article , "Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. DirecTivo is now down to $99; and no one ever mentions that most Cable Companies also charge you a monthly fee for your remote control. |
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Peter Cremel wrote: In article [email protected], "Jack Stringer" wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. You must not have read any of the reviews from folks that have suffered with trying to use the SA 8000. Lock ups, incomplete records, glitches on playback, spontaneous reboots, unfriendly user interface, missing much of the functionality of a DirecTivo. No reasonable person would call it a real choice. If you dont believe me, just do a Google search, and you'll quickly see I'm understating the problems of the SA8000. I guess the SA 8000 is competition for TiVo the way a Vespa is competition for a Lexus. Both will get you around. The next thing will be people citing those cable-industry Dishes Suck ads I've been seeing (especially on West Coast local TV), in which some schmuck attaches his ratty-looking dish to a crooked stick that waves in the wind, and then he complains the dish doesn't work right. |
In article ,
Peter Cremel wrote: In article [email protected], "Jack Stringer" wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. You must not have read any of the reviews from folks that have suffered with trying to use the SA 8000. Lock ups, incomplete records, glitches on playback, spontaneous reboots, unfriendly user interface, missing much of the functionality of a DirecTivo. No reasonable person would call it a real choice. If you dont believe me, just do a Google search, and you'll quickly see I'm understating the problems of the SA8000. I guess the SA 8000 is competition for TiVo the way a Vespa is competition for a Lexus. Both will get you around. The next thing will be people citing those cable-industry Dishes Suck ads I've been seeing (especially on West Coast local TV), in which some schmuck attaches his ratty-looking dish to a crooked stick that waves in the wind, and then he complains the dish doesn't work right. |
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In my area the SA8000 was nothing extra for the box, and the guide
data was ~$6.50/mo. Making that cheaper than TIVO, but OTOH, I had to get digital cable, and fairly high level package at that. After trying it out for a couple of months I returned my 2 SA 8000's to TW. They are highly unreliable and buggy. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:37:56 GMT, "Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. "Lenroc" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
In my area the SA8000 was nothing extra for the box, and the guide
data was ~$6.50/mo. Making that cheaper than TIVO, but OTOH, I had to get digital cable, and fairly high level package at that. After trying it out for a couple of months I returned my 2 SA 8000's to TW. They are highly unreliable and buggy. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:37:56 GMT, "Kevin Weaver" wrote: He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo. Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo. "Lenroc" wrote in message news:[email protected] On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote: To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into ReplayTV instead. I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too. I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it, with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's cost in rental fees. To each his own, though... -- Lenroc |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:52:14 GMT, Peter Cremel
wrote: In article [email protected], "Jack Stringer" wrote re SA8000: I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:52:14 GMT, Peter Cremel
wrote: In article [email protected], "Jack Stringer" wrote re SA8000: I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. |
Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?,
$0.99 I believe |
Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?,
$0.99 I believe |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?, $0.99 I believe Please make sure, some charge as much as $4. |
In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote?, $0.99 I believe Please make sure, some charge as much as $4. |
In article ,
Lazarus Long wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. But how much for an SA 8000 remote? |
In article ,
Lazarus Long wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. But how much for an SA 8000 remote? |
$0.99 I believe
Please make sure, some charge as much as $4. It's $1 or less. |
$0.99 I believe
Please make sure, some charge as much as $4. It's $1 or less. |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:34:13 GMT, Peter Cremel
wrote: In article , Lazarus Long wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. But how much for an SA 8000 remote? That's it. I tried the SA 8000 last June, July and August. My local cable company (Time Warner) charged exactly the same for the SA 8000 as they do for *any* other digital box. $6.60 for the box, 35 cents for the remote. Kind of stupid to itemize the costs since the box can't be controlled without the remote, and the remote is worthless without the box. |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:34:13 GMT, Peter Cremel
wrote: In article , Lazarus Long wrote: Don't they also charge you a few bucks a month for a remote? 35 cents/mo. But how much for an SA 8000 remote? That's it. I tried the SA 8000 last June, July and August. My local cable company (Time Warner) charged exactly the same for the SA 8000 as they do for *any* other digital box. $6.60 for the box, 35 cents for the remote. Kind of stupid to itemize the costs since the box can't be controlled without the remote, and the remote is worthless without the box. |
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"Jack Stringer" wrote in message news:[email protected] To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. Other cable companies may have them or be getting them soon. http://cox.com/newservices/ And http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/Exp8000.htm I picked mine up today and returned 2 TiVo's to the store I bought them from last week. Cox in Las Vegas is limiting them to 1 per household. High Definition units should be out around the first of the year. It has 2 tuners and records 40-50 hours. I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. ---snip---snip---snip--- I too live in Las Vegas, but here's what it would cost me to rent/use the Explorer 8000: Digital Gateway fee: $5.00 Digital converter fee: $3.95 (yes... still charged even though it's part of the 8000) Remote control fee:: $0.22 Service (subscription) fee: $9.99 Additional sales tax: $1.39 Additional franchise fee: $1.03 Total additional charge: $21.58 I currently own 2 TiVos (with lifetime subscriptions) and have held off buying a third one because I wanted to see what Cox would be offering, and at what price. |
"Jack Stringer" wrote in message news:[email protected] To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice.... If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now available or coming soon. Other cable companies may have them or be getting them soon. http://cox.com/newservices/ And http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/Exp8000.htm I picked mine up today and returned 2 TiVo's to the store I bought them from last week. Cox in Las Vegas is limiting them to 1 per household. High Definition units should be out around the first of the year. It has 2 tuners and records 40-50 hours. I do not believe it is upgradeable. Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming. It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest version as they come out. ---snip---snip---snip--- I too live in Las Vegas, but here's what it would cost me to rent/use the Explorer 8000: Digital Gateway fee: $5.00 Digital converter fee: $3.95 (yes... still charged even though it's part of the 8000) Remote control fee:: $0.22 Service (subscription) fee: $9.99 Additional sales tax: $1.39 Additional franchise fee: $1.03 Total additional charge: $21.58 I currently own 2 TiVos (with lifetime subscriptions) and have held off buying a third one because I wanted to see what Cox would be offering, and at what price. |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:12:04 -0800, Joe Kaffe wrote:
Digital Gateway fee: $5.00 Digital converter fee: $3.95 (yes... still charged even though it's part of the 8000) Remote control fee:: $0.22 Service (subscription) fee: $9.99 Additional sales tax: $1.39 Additional franchise fee: $1.03 Total additional charge: $21.58 Interesting. I heard from a Cox user here in Phoenix that it added only $10 to his bill, since he had digicable already... -- Lenroc |
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