In article ,
LID said...
* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:45:53 -0500:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:43:06 -0800, "Joe Kaffe"
wrote:

Don't worry. The problems will get fixed. You're talking about a
multi-billion dollar company looking at a new revenue stream and
all they have to do is fix a few bugs.

So your multibillion dollar company could not afford to pay beta
testers?

Actually most cable companies had people lining up to pay to be beta
testers for these.

Seems to me if they continue to do business like that they wont
be multibillion dollar company for long. OTOH the only people Tivo seems
to **** off is those to cheap to pay for service.

That's apparently a very large group.

* Brad Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:00:05 -0500:
In article ,
LID said...
* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:45:53 -0500:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:43:06 -0800, "Joe Kaffe"
wrote:

Don't worry. The problems will get fixed. You're talking about a
multi-billion dollar company looking at a new revenue stream and
all they have to do is fix a few bugs.

So your multibillion dollar company could not afford to pay beta
testers?

Actually most cable companies had people lining up to pay to be beta
testers for these.

I guess based on how crappy they apparently are they must have used all
AOL users.

Seems to me if they continue to do business like that they wont
be multibillion dollar company for long. OTOH the only people Tivo seems
to **** off is those to cheap to pay for service.

That's apparently a very large group.

There is no reason to be ****ed off because you cant get something for
free so if its a very large group they should rethink it or build a
better mouse trap which apparently they cant.
--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
A shapely CATHOLIC SCHOOLGIRL is FIDGETING inside my costume..

* Brad Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:00:05 -0500:
In article ,
LID said...
* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:45:53 -0500:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:43:06 -0800, "Joe Kaffe"
wrote:

Don't worry. The problems will get fixed. You're talking about a
multi-billion dollar company looking at a new revenue stream and
all they have to do is fix a few bugs.

So your multibillion dollar company could not afford to pay beta
testers?

Actually most cable companies had people lining up to pay to be beta
testers for these.

I guess based on how crappy they apparently are they must have used all
AOL users.

Seems to me if they continue to do business like that they wont
be multibillion dollar company for long. OTOH the only people Tivo seems
to **** off is those to cheap to pay for service.

That's apparently a very large group.

There is no reason to be ****ed off because you cant get something for
free so if its a very large group they should rethink it or build a
better mouse trap which apparently they cant.
--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
A shapely CATHOLIC SCHOOLGIRL is FIDGETING inside my costume..

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:03:16 -0500, Brad wrote:


Why can't you get rid of the remote and use a universal/programmable?

Maybe one can. I didn't have any of this long enough to try that.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:03:16 -0500, Brad wrote:


Why can't you get rid of the remote and use a universal/programmable?

Maybe one can. I didn't have any of this long enough to try that.

In article ,
LID said...
* Brad Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:00:05 -0500:
In article ,
LID said...
* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:45:53 -0500:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:43:06 -0800, "Joe Kaffe"
wrote:

Don't worry. The problems will get fixed. You're talking about a
multi-billion dollar company looking at a new revenue stream and
all they have to do is fix a few bugs.

So your multibillion dollar company could not afford to pay beta
testers?

Actually most cable companies had people lining up to pay to be beta
testers for these.

I guess based on how crappy they apparently are they must have used all
AOL users.

Seems to me if they continue to do business like that they wont
be multibillion dollar company for long. OTOH the only people Tivo seems
to **** off is those to cheap to pay for service.

That's apparently a very large group.

There is no reason to be ****ed off because you cant get something for
free so if its a very large group they should rethink it or build a
better mouse trap which apparently they cant.

I wasn't saying you have to get it for free, just cheaper. Tivo's biggest
hurdle to a larger user base is the cost. When I bought my Tivo I bought
the most expensive one they had in 1999 and the monthly was either $8.95
or $9.95. Now the monthly is $12.95 and the high-end units cost about the
same. In the satellite world they are a viable alternative, but elsewhere
they are just not an option for most people.

In article ,
LID said...
* Brad Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:00:05 -0500:
In article ,
LID said...
* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:45:53 -0500:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:43:06 -0800, "Joe Kaffe"
wrote:

Don't worry. The problems will get fixed. You're talking about a
multi-billion dollar company looking at a new revenue stream and
all they have to do is fix a few bugs.

So your multibillion dollar company could not afford to pay beta
testers?

Actually most cable companies had people lining up to pay to be beta
testers for these.

I guess based on how crappy they apparently are they must have used all
AOL users.

Seems to me if they continue to do business like that they wont
be multibillion dollar company for long. OTOH the only people Tivo seems
to **** off is those to cheap to pay for service.

That's apparently a very large group.

There is no reason to be ****ed off because you cant get something for
free so if its a very large group they should rethink it or build a
better mouse trap which apparently they cant.

I wasn't saying you have to get it for free, just cheaper. Tivo's biggest
hurdle to a larger user base is the cost. When I bought my Tivo I bought
the most expensive one they had in 1999 and the monthly was either $8.95
or $9.95. Now the monthly is $12.95 and the high-end units cost about the
same. In the satellite world they are a viable alternative, but elsewhere
they are just not an option for most people.

"Brad" wrote
I don't think anyone would pay $100 for an extra 40GB, when you can get a
40GB HDD for $50...
Maybe it's just me...
Then you're voiding your warrantee

The warranty is 90 days. So, used it for 90 days without adding
a drive yourself. After that, there is no warranty anyway.


and you have to spend the time to do the upgrade.

About an hour, wire to wire.


I would only justify the upgrade if I'm putting in a much
larger drive, but then we're into more money.

Actually less money if you know how to shop around. CompUSA
has the ultra-quiet and cool Seagate 120GB for $60 after rebate.
Adding that to a 40HR unit would make it a 150-160 hour unit.
Even if you get the drive bracket, you're still spending well less
than $100 and the end result is a machine with twice the capacity
(compared to an 80HR unit).

"Brad" wrote
I don't think anyone would pay $100 for an extra 40GB, when you can get a
40GB HDD for $50...
Maybe it's just me...
Then you're voiding your warrantee

The warranty is 90 days. So, used it for 90 days without adding
a drive yourself. After that, there is no warranty anyway.


and you have to spend the time to do the upgrade.

About an hour, wire to wire.


I would only justify the upgrade if I'm putting in a much
larger drive, but then we're into more money.

Actually less money if you know how to shop around. CompUSA
has the ultra-quiet and cool Seagate 120GB for $60 after rebate.
Adding that to a 40HR unit would make it a 150-160 hour unit.
Even if you get the drive bracket, you're still spending well less
than $100 and the end result is a machine with twice the capacity
(compared to an 80HR unit).

"Brad" wrote
In any case, they're not "$300-$400" as claimed by the
other poster.
But we're talking about an 80GB system as a comparison, aren't we?

When was that established? When the $300-$400 comment
was made, I don't think anyone had mentioned any capacity
machine in particular. If you are talking about the 8000, I don't
know how big the drive is in that, but Jack Stringer said that
it records 40-50 hours.