On 31 Oct 2003 03:00:27 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:


DAMNIT I bought a phone and used Verizon as my carrier but then I
didn't pay my phone bill and verzion cut me off!!! could you believe
it--I payed for the phone shouldn't I still be able to use it??!!

Well I'm sure you can still use all the phone's features that don't
require the connection to the phone network. Meaning you can still
play games on it or access other data on it. Whereas TiVo disables
features that have nothing to do with their service content and blaze
messages about my service being canceled after every button I press.


My point is that you buy the phone and pay a monthly fee to use the
phone (regardless of games who buys a phone for games only) if you
don't pay the monthly bill your phone gets shut off. What else would
you use Tivo for besides recording shows? so all of their features
being disabled all have to do with recording no? I mean what else
could you do with a Tivo besided record TV

DAMNIT I bought a TV and used Time Warner Cable-I didn't pay my cable
bill so they turned off cable on me!!!! the nerve I payed for the TV
shouldn't I be able to use cable on it???!!!!

You can still use the TV to pick up local stations with an antenna and
none of your TV's features are disabled. This example is flawed though
because you didn't pay Time Warner for the TV.


Yes it was flawed =0)
my point on the whole is that if you buy something and you know that
what your buying can only be used if you pay a monthly fee--once you
stop paying you don't get the service just an expensive piece of
equipment.

Happy Halloween

Actually, TiVo did not make it very clear that a subscription is
absolutely required. (By the way, I have a series 1). This is from the
manual:

"The TiVo Service includes program listings, Search by Name
functionality, Season Passes, TiVolution Magazine, Network Showcases,
software updates, and more. Initially, you will receive the TiVo
service for a short grace period. If you haven't activated the service
by the end of the grace period, your PTV Recorder will have limited
functionality."


So while it does say that the service is required for all those
special services, it certainly doesn't say that a inactive unit will
be the gimp unit they make it into.

I guess if you didn't know you might figure that Tivo did more than
the above stated from the manual. However it does not do anything
more than what's stated it can do with the service. So
Tivos claim of "limited functionality" would be misleading, powering
on and off is "limited functionality" but VERY limited.



Oh, and Happy Holloween :)

* Rictor Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:52:11 GMT:
On 31 Oct 2003 03:00:27 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Actually, TiVo did not make it very clear that a subscription is
absolutely required. (By the way, I have a series 1). This is from the
manual:

"The TiVo Service includes program listings, Search by Name
functionality, Season Passes, TiVolution Magazine, Network Showcases,
software updates, and more. Initially, you will receive the TiVo
service for a short grace period. If you haven't activated the service
by the end of the grace period, your PTV Recorder will have limited
functionality."


So while it does say that the service is required for all those
special services, it certainly doesn't say that a inactive unit will
be the gimp unit they make it into.

I guess if you didn't know you might figure that Tivo did more than
the above stated from the manual. However it does not do anything
more than what's stated it can do with the service. So
Tivos claim of "limited functionality" would be misleading, powering
on and off is "limited functionality" but VERY limited.

The poster you are replying to states they had a series 1 which will
manually record without service, it will also playback what you have
recorded. Dosent sound very limited to me, does pretty much everything
it did when he first bought it and had a subscription, record and playback.

--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
Huh?

Ted wrote:
You sound like a person who is lead to believe what ever someone
tells you to believe and doesn't complain about anything. Your wife
will sleep around... don't complain thats how it is.... type.


Why doesn't tivo just charge a plain fee for the hardware and sfw?
For the same reason car manf are offering 0 APR. Because the public
doesn't like high figures up front. If they charge a little over a
long time then they can make more money from you.... Plain and
simple. And the public goes along with it. Just like this guy.


Tivo/DirecTV are up-front about what they are charging. No one buys a
Tivo without knowing what they are getting into. The DirecTivos seem
more reasonably priced that the SA units, but I don't consider my paying
for the service to be "just going along with it." You miss the point.
You want something that will record for free, you can have that with a
$1,200 Windows Media Center Edition PC or a new AV DVD burner. I like
the Tivo service and am happy to pay the $5/month for it. Your comments
are not only wrong; your analogy sucks as well.

I don't think that you should complain about a service that is UP FRONT
about what they charge, after you have agreed to pay the fees. If you
change your mind later on and want to dump the service, fine. If the OP
want to hack the series 2 and load older software to make it able
manually record (which is probably illegal), let him do so. I'm just not
impressed with his argument. Or yours.


--
David G.

Jeff Rife shaped the electrons to say:
Except that one of the things that even TiVo is nervous about is that the
public will settle for "less featured" DVRs instead of TiVo. If one of
those less featured units is "TiVo Basic", we have TiVo competing with
themselves by giving away lifetime functionality that--while admittedly not
"real TiVo"--doesn't completely suck.

Well it is very limited, I think anyone who has used 'real' TiVo would
have trouble going back to TiVo Basic. Yes, some people would - some
people use unsubbed units. They do give users a 30 day trial of TiVo
Plus, which is a great way to expose people to the service and hook
them on it. And they dod get revenue from ads and viewing data sales,
and the TiVo Basic units count.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:19:49 GMT, SINNER
wrote:



I thought his Tivo wouldn't record or playback anything w/o the
subscription--and that he as annoyed he paid for the box and now w/o
the subscription couldn't do anything--which is what I thought (no
subscription no use out of Tivo) but I guess series 1's are
different--thanks for clarifying that Sin I must of misread the post

* Rictor Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:52:11 GMT:
On 31 Oct 2003 03:00:27 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Actually, TiVo did not make it very clear that a subscription is
absolutely required. (By the way, I have a series 1). This is from the
manual:

"The TiVo Service includes program listings, Search by Name
functionality, Season Passes, TiVolution Magazine, Network Showcases,
software updates, and more. Initially, you will receive the TiVo
service for a short grace period. If you haven't activated the service
by the end of the grace period, your PTV Recorder will have limited
functionality."


So while it does say that the service is required for all those
special services, it certainly doesn't say that a inactive unit will
be the gimp unit they make it into.

I guess if you didn't know you might figure that Tivo did more than
the above stated from the manual. However it does not do anything
more than what's stated it can do with the service. So
Tivos claim of "limited functionality" would be misleading, powering
on and off is "limited functionality" but VERY limited.

The poster you are replying to states they had a series 1 which will
manually record without service, it will also playback what you have
recorded. Dosent sound very limited to me, does pretty much everything
it did when he first bought it and had a subscription, record and playback.

Can I jump into the end of this discussion.....

I have TIVO basic with the Pioneer 810 unit and am very happy with the
basic features. I tried TIVO full service but did not like some of
the features. Basic is cost effective for me and satisfies my TIVO
scheduling requirements.

* Sparky Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sat, 01 Nov 2003 06:09:38 -0500:
Can I jump into the end of this discussion.....

I have TIVO basic with the Pioneer 810 unit and am very happy with the
basic features. I tried TIVO full service but did not like some of
the features.

Didnt like? how can that be if you do like the Tivo Basic? What
additional features didnt you like?

--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
Tout choses sont dites deja, mais comme personne n'ecoute, il faut
toujours recommencer.
-- A. Gide

Sparky shaped the electrons to say:
basic features. I tried TIVO full service but did not like some of
the features. Basic is cost effective for me and satisfies my TIVO

Since TiVo Plus has all the features of TiVo Basic, plus a lot more,
what didn't you like?

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
URL:http://www.megazone.org/ URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/ Eris

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:43:15 +0000, MegaZone wrote:

Since TiVo Plus has all the features of TiVo Basic, plus a lot more, what
didn't you like?

Maybe, paying a monthly fee for features that aren't important to him?

--
Lenroc

Exactly. I use this unit like a VCR+ and timed recordings. The cost
of lifetime subscription doesn't bother me terribly but why pay for
features I tried and did not use.

How do you use TIVO plus features? Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Only thing I liked was season pass but network show end times are off
about a minute. How does the overlap work if I add 1 minute to end of
show when next show starts on time?

Willing to learn and pay for subscription if I can find
features/functions that I would use. TIVO is a great concept and I
want to support it!