Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Also, though I know the cost of providing dialup access isn't
peanuts, I think you are exaggerating how many units with TiVo
Basic Pioneer is going to be able to sell.

Well, just a guess, but: "all of them?"

Every single unit that Pioneer produces will get sold at some point,
even if it has to be blown out at overstock.com. Pioneer won't care if
that causes TiVo to incur more expenses...all they will care about is
getting as many dollars from the hardware as possible.

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Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
1. above from you is so not true, imo. The idea is to get in people's
homes with any form of TiVo possible to get people hooked on it.
You know how hard it is to appreciate TiVo until you use it?

Except that one of the things that even TiVo is nervous about is that the
public will settle for "less featured" DVRs instead of TiVo. If one of
those less featured units is "TiVo Basic", we have TiVo competing with
themselves by giving away lifetime functionality that--while admittedly not
"real TiVo"--doesn't completely suck.

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Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Every 2-3 days? Really? I guess I'll have to check my unit.
Are you sure you aren't just going by how your unit behaves
and not all Tivo units?

Version 3 of the software pushed the time from about every day to every
2 days or so on all units, according to the tivocommunity people.

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Jeff Rife wrote:
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Also, though I know the cost of providing dialup access isn't
peanuts, I think you are exaggerating how many units with TiVo
Basic Pioneer is going to be able to sell.

Well, just a guess, but: "all of them?"

Every single unit that Pioneer produces will get sold at some point,
even if it has to be blown out at overstock.com. Pioneer won't care if
that causes TiVo to incur more expenses...all they will care about is
getting as many dollars from the hardware as possible.

If they start flying off the stores' shelfs, Pioneer will start making
more (or order more made from the sub-contracter that actually makes
them). If no one buys them until they're reduced below the retailer's
price, Pioneer will never make another one, and only sell what's in
the channels.

"all of them" can mean wildly different numbers.

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Jeff Rife wrote:
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Every 2-3 days? Really? I guess I'll have to check my unit.
Are you sure you aren't just going by how your unit behaves
and not all Tivo units?

Version 3 of the software pushed the time from about every day to every
2 days or so on all units, according to the tivocommunity people.

Afaik, this is only for DTiVos, where the phone call isn't as useful
(to the customer, at least).

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Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:


DAMNIT I bought a phone and used Verizon as my carrier but then I
didn't pay my phone bill and verzion cut me off!!! could you believe
it--I payed for the phone shouldn't I still be able to use it??!!

Well I'm sure you can still use all the phone's features that don't
require the connection to the phone network. Meaning you can still
play games on it or access other data on it. Whereas TiVo disables
features that have nothing to do with their service content and blaze
messages about my service being canceled after every button I press.


My point is that you buy the phone and pay a monthly fee to use the
phone (regardless of games who buys a phone for games only) if you
don't pay the monthly bill your phone gets shut off. What else would
you use Tivo for besides recording shows? so all of their features
being disabled all have to do with recording no? I mean what else
could you do with a Tivo besided record TV

DAMNIT I bought a TV and used Time Warner Cable-I didn't pay my cable
bill so they turned off cable on me!!!! the nerve I payed for the TV
shouldn't I be able to use cable on it???!!!!

You can still use the TV to pick up local stations with an antenna and
none of your TV's features are disabled. This example is flawed though
because you didn't pay Time Warner for the TV.


Yes it was flawed =0)
my point on the whole is that if you buy something and you know that
what your buying can only be used if you pay a monthly fee--once you
stop paying you don't get the service just an expensive piece of
equipment.

Happy Halloween

Actually, TiVo did not make it very clear that a subscription is
absolutely required. (By the way, I have a series 1). This is from the
manual:

"The TiVo Service includes program listings, Search by Name
functionality, Season Passes, TiVolution Magazine, Network Showcases,
software updates, and more. Initially, you will receive the TiVo
service for a short grace period. If you haven't activated the service
by the end of the grace period, your PTV Recorder will have limited
functionality."

So while it does say that the service is required for all those
special services, it certainly doesn't say that a inactive unit will
be the gimp unit they make it into.

Oh, and Happy Holloween :)

Rictor wrote in
:

On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message
...
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:


DAMNIT I bought a phone and used Verizon as my carrier but then I
didn't pay my phone bill and verzion cut me off!!! could you believe
it--I payed for the phone shouldn't I still be able to use it??!!

Well I'm sure you can still use all the phone's features that don't
require the connection to the phone network. Meaning you can still play
games on it or access other data on it. Whereas TiVo disables features
that have nothing to do with their service content and blaze messages
about my service being canceled after every button I press.

When you buy the phone, the games and other features are supplied by the
phone manufacturer and are totally independent of the carrier you use.
When you stop paying the carrier, they stop supplying their part, i.e.
the signal.

Whoever is manufacturing the Tivo unit supplies nothing but the hardware
(and possibly the OS). Since Tivo doesn't actually build the units,
even if you buy your Tivo unit directly from them, they are (in this
case) acting as a reseller for the hardware box manufacturer. ALL of
the software (except possibly the OS) is supplied by Tivo. So when you
stop paying Tivo for their service, they stop supplying THEIR product...
the software that makes Tivo.... Tivo.

Another example... if you have digital cable with the tivo like pause
feature, do you really think THAT still works if you cancel cable? I've
not seen it personally, but I would bet long money that this feature,
which is built into the box, gets disabled if you aren't getting their
signal.

"Bao H. Lammy" wrote
"Jeff Rife" wrote
How do you figure that it has to call in more frequently? As it is,
They do, in fact, call in at the same interval.
Every 2-3 days is the current interval, and that would be dicey with
just 3 days of data.
[snip]
Every 2-3 days? Really? I guess I'll have to check my unit.
Are you sure you aren't just going by how your unit behaves
and not all Tivo units? After all, you have a DirecTV-TiVo
combo box and I have a standalone. Maybe your type of
unit calls less frequently?

Just checked:

Last Successful Call: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:48PM
Next Call: Saturday, November 1, 2003 2:26AM

So, that's about every day. That's just a little under 27 hours
between calls, right?

"Jeff Rife" wrote
Bao H. Lammy ) wrote
Also, though I know the cost of providing dialup access isn't
peanuts, I think you are exaggerating how many units with TiVo
Basic Pioneer is going to be able to sell.
Well, just a guess, but: "all of them?"
Every single unit that Pioneer produces will get sold at some point,
even if it has to be blown out at overstock.com. Pioneer won't care if
that causes TiVo to incur more expenses...all they will care about is
getting as many dollars from the hardware as possible.

Agreed. But I doubt the initial manufacturing run was for some
ungodly number of units. These aren't commodity items like $50
VCRs and DVD players, after all. So, we may be talking about
a relatively small number of units and a relatively small increased
cost to TiVo to support dialup access as a result.

* Bao H. Lammy Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 07:04:30 -0600:
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote
"Jeff Rife" wrote
[snip]
Every 2-3 days? Really? I guess I'll have to check my unit.
Are you sure you aren't just going by how your unit behaves
and not all Tivo units? After all, you have a DirecTV-TiVo
combo box and I have a standalone. Maybe your type of
unit calls less frequently?

Just checked:

Last Successful Call: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:48PM
Next Call: Saturday, November 1, 2003 2:26AM

So, that's about every day. That's just a little under 27 hours
between calls, right?

FWIW - DirecTivo
Last Wed Oct 29 at 11:20am
Next Fri Oct 31 at 2:13pm

~51 hours.
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