On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:45:56 -0500, Jeff Rife wrote:

Licensing the software doesn't have to mean that TiVo gets continuing
income from Pioneer for a TiVo Basic subscription.

One interesting point is that _every_ DVD burned by the Pioneer burners
(as far as I can tell) includes the Tivo frontend...

Perhaps this is some sort of compensation for the service Tivo provides to
Pioneer? It would, at the least, get the Tivo name out there, especially
if someone wanted to share their burned DVDs with friends...

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Lenroc

"Jeff Rife" wrote
How do you figure that it has to call in more frequently? As it is,
They do, in fact, call in at the same interval.
Every 2-3 days is the current interval, and that would be dicey with
just 3 days of data.
[snip]

Every 2-3 days? Really? I guess I'll have to check my unit.
Are you sure you aren't just going by how your unit behaves
and not all Tivo units? After all, you have a DirecTV-TiVo
combo box and I have a standalone. Maybe your type of
unit calls less frequently?

"Neill Massello" wrote
If you don't like paying for service, don't buy TiVo or RTV. It is that
simple. Buy one of the standalone DVRs on the market that work like a
VCR.
Why do people have so much trouble with such a simple concept?
Probably because they want a hard-disk VCR for $250, and there is -- as
yet -- no such animal.

Sure there is. They just have to be willing to buy a refurbished Series1
standalone TiVo DVR from servicedvr.com. Even if they slap in a huge
hard drive, the cost is still way under $250 and the device can be set
to record like one programs a VCR. (Start Time, End Time, Channel,
and various repeating options.)

I think that people have a hard time with the concept because there
is little else in consumer electronics that is priced like this. And on top
of that, the closest device in function in many people's minds is a VCR,
and that requires not subscription.
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Lenroc shaped the electrons to say:
The new units are "Broadband ready" and can use HMO if subscribed to it,
so I'd imagine there are USB ports.

The Pioneer units have a single USB 2.0 jack (USB 1.1 software still,
like all S2 units.)

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"Jeff Rife" wrote
It was different before when they were actually paying money
for subsidizing (or stock, or something more tangible). What I
see now is more like the free LE version software one gets when
one buys digital cameras, scanners, etc.
I don't know. I think the tangible need to supply dial-up POP is a pretty
real expense, and if they didn't get money from Pioneer, then it really is
subsidizing hardware.

I don't know, either. None of us really know what the licensing
terms are. I feel that TiVo is willing to take some losses in return
for a possibly greater gain. And if it doesn't work out, they don't
have to renew the licensing with Pioneer.

Also, though I know the cost of providing dialup access isn't
peanuts, I think you are exaggerating how many units with TiVo
Basic Pioneer is going to be able to sell.

I see it as a symbiotic relationship, not just an exchange of cash
for goods. There are ancillary benefits for TiVo besides just
possible upgraders from TiVo Basic to full TiVo service as well.

"Bao H. Lammy" shaped the electrons to say:
"MegaZone" wrote
They stated it in one of the con calls I listened in on. It costs
more to license 'TiVo Basic' than just the basic software.
What do you mean by the last sentence above? Do you mean

Think of the SVR-3000 - licensing the TiVo code with no TiVo
Basic/Plus stuff, just a straight up 'TiVo, must have a subscription'
box.

Companies can still license that code, or the code with the TiVo Basic
features - the latter costs more to license.

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Jeff Rife shaped the electrons to say:
Every 2-3 days is the current interval, and that would be dicey with just
3 days of data.

Every 32-34 hours, I've clocked my units.

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Lenroc shaped the electrons to say:
Of course, if you watch the DVD on the DVD/Tivo unit, don't you get the 30
second skip? ;)

No. I don't think you can read from the DVD quite the same as from
HD, so that's probably the limitation there.

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On 30 Oct 2003 17:58:50 -0800, (Ken) wrote:

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:


DAMNIT I bought a phone and used Verizon as my carrier but then I
didn't pay my phone bill and verzion cut me off!!! could you believe
it--I payed for the phone shouldn't I still be able to use it??!!

Well I'm sure you can still use all the phone's features that don't
require the connection to the phone network. Meaning you can still
play games on it or access other data on it. Whereas TiVo disables
features that have nothing to do with their service content and blaze
messages about my service being canceled after every button I press.


My point is that you buy the phone and pay a monthly fee to use the
phone (regardless of games who buys a phone for games only) if you
don't pay the monthly bill your phone gets shut off. What else would
you use Tivo for besides recording shows? so all of their features
being disabled all have to do with recording no? I mean what else
could you do with a Tivo besided record TV

DAMNIT I bought a TV and used Time Warner Cable-I didn't pay my cable
bill so they turned off cable on me!!!! the nerve I payed for the TV
shouldn't I be able to use cable on it???!!!!

You can still use the TV to pick up local stations with an antenna and
none of your TV's features are disabled. This example is flawed though
because you didn't pay Time Warner for the TV.


Yes it was flawed =0)
my point on the whole is that if you buy something and you know that
what your buying can only be used if you pay a monthly fee--once you
stop paying you don't get the service just an expensive piece of
equipment.

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