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MegaZone wrote:
Lenroc shaped the electrons to say:
I seriously love the idea here, but $1200 for the cheapest unit, not

I've seen reports of people finding the 810H for ~$600, which isn't so
bad for a TiVO + DVD-RW.

I very much like the idea of Tivo + DVD writer (and I even think that the
"Tivo UI" that ends up on the DVDs sounds kind of cool, though I haven't
actually used it), but there's now other PVR (though programmed similar but
more sophisticated compared to a VCR) + DVD writers for $500 that allow
*editing* of the recordings before burning to DVD.

I think that's a feature a lot of people would want.. heck, even if it
were *just* cutting off fluff at the beginning and end of recordings before
burning.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:10:47 +0000, Rictor wrote:

DAMNIT I bought a TV and used Time Warner Cable-I didn't pay my cable bill
so they turned off cable on me!!!! the nerve I payed for the TV shouldn't
I be able to use cable on it???!!!!

This is a much weaker refutation of the OP.

A TV can acess broadcast channels without cable service.

An S2 Tivo without service is mostly useless though...

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Lenroc

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:28:51 +0000, Matt Ackeret wrote:

there's now other PVR (though programmed similar but more sophisticated
compared to a VCR) + DVD writers for $500 that allow *editing* of the
recordings before burning to DVD.

I think that's a feature a lot of people would want.

Of course, if you watch the DVD on the DVD/Tivo unit, don't you get the 30
second skip? ;)

(I'm not really sure of course, but if I was designing it, I would allow
it...)

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Lenroc

MegaZone wrote:

If you don't like paying for service, don't buy TiVo or RTV. It is that
simple. Buy one of the standalone DVRs on the market that work like a
VCR.

Why do people have so much trouble with such a simple concept?

Probably because they want a hard-disk VCR for $250, and there is -- as
yet -- no such animal.

Rictor wrote in message . ..
On 30 Oct 2003 00:15:17 -0800, (Ken) wrote:


DAMNIT I bought a phone and used Verizon as my carrier but then I
didn't pay my phone bill and verzion cut me off!!! could you believe
it--I payed for the phone shouldn't I still be able to use it??!!

Well I'm sure you can still use all the phone's features that don't
require the connection to the phone network. Meaning you can still
play games on it or access other data on it. Whereas TiVo disables
features that have nothing to do with their service content and blaze
messages about my service being canceled after every button I press.

DAMNIT I bought a TV and used Time Warner Cable-I didn't pay my cable
bill so they turned off cable on me!!!! the nerve I payed for the TV
shouldn't I be able to use cable on it???!!!!

You can still use the TV to pick up local stations with an antenna and
none of your TV's features are disabled. This example is flawed though
because you didn't pay Time Warner for the TV.

Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
It was different before when they were actually paying money
for subsidizing (or stock, or something more tangible). What I
see now is more like the free LE version software one gets when
one buys digital cameras, scanners, etc.

I don't know. I think the tangible need to supply dial-up POP is a pretty
real expense, and if they didn't get money from Pioneer, then it really is
subsidizing hardware.

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MegaZone ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
"Bao H. Lammy" shaped the electrons to say:
How do you figure that it has to call in more frequently? As it is,
=20
They do, in fact, call in at the same interval.

Every 2-3 days is the current interval, and that would be dicey with just
3 days of data.

Hell, they might even store more than 3 days of data internally - only
3 days are accessable though.

Now *that* makes sense, but I'd bet that there is would be a lot of fear
about hacking the unit for more functionality. We know this can be done
on *every* other platform (although it keeps getting harder), so it
should be possible on these machines, too.

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"Jeff Rife" wrote in message

Bao H. Lammy ) wrote in
alt.video.ptv.tivo:
It was different before when they were actually paying
money
for subsidizing (or stock, or something more tangible).
What I
see now is more like the free LE version software one
gets when
one buys digital cameras, scanners, etc.

I don't know. I think the tangible need to supply
dial-up POP is a pretty real expense, and if they didn't
get money from Pioneer, then it really is subsidizing
hardware.

Even if they do take a loss on the dial-in (but the new units are USB
enabled, right? So many users might use Ethernet), I'm guessing they are
betting on the increased market penetration bringing in more advertising
revenue to subsidize the cost (to TiVo) of the TiVo Basic.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:00:42 +0000, Seth wrote:

Even if they do take a loss on the dial-in (but the new units are USB
enabled, right? So many users might use Ethernet),

The new units are "Broadband ready" and can use HMO if subscribed to it,
so I'd imagine there are USB ports.

Unless they finally broke down and installed an Ethernet jack, which I
doubt...

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Lenroc