Once upon a time, DaveDiego said:
I watch W&G as background noise.

"But I only watched "Will And Grace" one time, one day
Wish I hadn't, 'cause TiVo now thinks I'm gay"
- "Couch Potato" - "Weird Al" Yankovic
--
Chris Adams
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

"Lenroc" wrote in message news:[email protected]
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:29:01 +0000, Jack Ak wrote:

And on this page...http://www.tivo.com/1.0.asp ...
quote...
TiVo® is a one-of-kind service that operates a digital video recorder
(DVR)[...]
It looks like TiVo is in the DVR business.

You don't read what you paste, do you?

"Tivo is a one of a kind _service_ that _operates_ a DVR"...


What constitutes being in the DVR business?
You can purchase a TiVo Series2 DVR from TiVo online:
http://www.tivo.com/2.0.asp

Of course TiVo gets DVRs from a manufacturing vendor,
so you could say the vendor is in the DVR business.

Lenroc wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:45:38 +0000, DaveDiego wrote:

Did NBC update the starting times so Tivo will record it correctly?

Yes, NBC had been planning it to run that way for a while. There were no
last minute changes, so Tivo had the data and acted accordingly.

Ya, thats a good time to have the guide data then. I would have missed
the show anyhow, since I record something else between 8-9 on another
channel.

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:27:01 -0500, "George Eberhardt"
wrote:


Best Buy does it to reduce its returns from customers who are unable to read
the side of the box. It cuts their costs.


You could still return it.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:19:27 -0500, 6bal wrote:

wrote:
Best Buy does it to reduce its returns from customers who are unable to read
the side of the box. It cuts their costs.

You could still return it.

That wasn't the point, now was it?

--
Lenroc

"Jack Ak" wrote
What constitutes being in the DVR business?

Apparently that's not as simple a question as you might think
since people have differing definitions. You can reasonably say
that a company "being in the DVR business" is one that is doing
any sort of work related to DVRs.

For example, a thinktank that doesn't make any product at all
could be considered to be in the DVR business if they research
and sell reports on what role they think DVRs will play 15 years
from now.

Someone else might have more stringent standards, such as
making a distinction between DVRs and PVRs using widely
accepted definitions of each, with the PVRs having a much
wider feature set than the DVRs. Others may equate DVR with
PVR, making no distinction between the two at all.

Yet more stringent is someone who defines "being in the DVR
business" as a company that sells DVRs (and/or PVRs depending
on the previous paragraph) for a profit, such as Philips and Sony --
not just as low-profit (or no profit) delivery devices for a TiVo
TiVo subscription.

Etcetera.

"Jack Ak" wrote
What constitutes being in the DVR business?

Apparently that's not as simple a question as you might think
since people have differing definitions. You can reasonably say
that a company "being in the DVR business" is one that is doing
any sort of work related to DVRs.

For example, a thinktank that doesn't make any product at all
could be considered to be in the DVR business if they research
and sell reports on what role they think DVRs will play 15 years
from now.

Someone else might have more stringent standards, such as
making a distinction between DVRs and PVRs using widely
accepted definitions of each, with the PVRs having a much
wider feature set than the DVRs. Others may equate DVR with
PVR, making no distinction between the two at all.

Yet more stringent is someone who defines "being in the DVR
business" as a company that sells DVRs (and/or PVRs depending
on the previous paragraph) for a profit, such as Philips and Sony --
not just as low-profit (or no profit) delivery devices for a TiVo
TiVo subscription.

Etcetera.

"Jack Ak" wrote in message
m...

"Joe Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s02...
Joe wrote:

We are not asking for Tivo to give us free service, we simply want to
enter
a start time, end time, and channel into the unit we bought so that we
can
perform our own service. This sounds like a reasonable request to me.

A DVR is like a VCR, but records to disk instead of tape.
A PVR is a DVR with extended features that require a subscription.

TiVo decided to be in the PVR business, not the DVR business.
If you want just DVR functionality, go buy a DVR.


The DirecTV DVR has extended features that require a subscription.

I wanted DVR functionality so I bought a DirecTV DVR with TiVo.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/imagine/TIVO.dsp

And on this page...http://www.tivo.com/1.0.asp ...
quote...
TiVo® is a one-of-kind service that operates a digital video recorder
(DVR), which is like a VCR
but with a hard drive. It digitally records up to 80 hours of your
favorite shows automatically,
every time they're on, without the hassles of videotape. That way, all of
your entertainment
is ready-and-waiting for you to watch, whenever you are. Just buy a DVR,
activate TiVo service
and enjoy TV your way.
...end quote

It looks like TiVo is in the DVR business.

It may look that way but they say DVR with tivo which makes a PVR. DirecTV's
marketing department may choose to call it a DVR with tivo but that does not
reduce the tivo capablity. Marketing seems to be distancing its self from
Tivo.

"Jack Ak" wrote in message
m...

"Joe Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s02...
Joe wrote:

We are not asking for Tivo to give us free service, we simply want to
enter
a start time, end time, and channel into the unit we bought so that we
can
perform our own service. This sounds like a reasonable request to me.

A DVR is like a VCR, but records to disk instead of tape.
A PVR is a DVR with extended features that require a subscription.

TiVo decided to be in the PVR business, not the DVR business.
If you want just DVR functionality, go buy a DVR.


The DirecTV DVR has extended features that require a subscription.

I wanted DVR functionality so I bought a DirecTV DVR with TiVo.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/imagine/TIVO.dsp

And on this page...http://www.tivo.com/1.0.asp ...
quote...
TiVo® is a one-of-kind service that operates a digital video recorder
(DVR), which is like a VCR
but with a hard drive. It digitally records up to 80 hours of your
favorite shows automatically,
every time they're on, without the hassles of videotape. That way, all of
your entertainment
is ready-and-waiting for you to watch, whenever you are. Just buy a DVR,
activate TiVo service
and enjoy TV your way.
...end quote

It looks like TiVo is in the DVR business.

It may look that way but they say DVR with tivo which makes a PVR. DirecTV's
marketing department may choose to call it a DVR with tivo but that does not
reduce the tivo capablity. Marketing seems to be distancing its self from
Tivo.