There aren't any PVRs that don't require payment for a subscription...
either at the time of purchase or at intervals thereafter.

There *are* digital video recorders (DVRs) that don't require buying a
subscription, but these are nothing but VCRs that record to hard disk
instead of to tape.

Yes, My mistake.
So you have to select your own shows to record.... So what? it saves $150
per year (or $250) to get the DVR.

Joe ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
So you have to select your own shows to record....

No, you have to select the *timeslot* to record, and then keep watch on
the TV guide to see if you really do want to record that timeslot (because
it is the show you want) or if you could record some other channel instead.

So what? it saves $150
per year (or $250) to get the DVR.

As someone else put it:

Not having to do anything to have the shows you like just be there to
watch: priceless.

TiVo's wishlist feature is absolutely worth every penny. I have a wishlist
for all movies with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby (laugh at my taste if you
want...I don't care) and I had to spend a minute setting it up, and now
they will be recorded without any more effort on my part.

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Dan Pendragon wrote:
In article ,
Darth Maul wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:01:34 -0500, Sparky wrote:

Exactly. I use this unit like a VCR+ and timed recordings

You need to get out of the VCR mindset. DVRs let you watch what you
want when you want. Read up on the full Tivo features, and ask
questions here. You'll see --- it will change your life.


EXACTLY - TIVO is a different paradigm if you let it be.

+ With a Season Pass you never have to set to record a
favorite program again!

Example - I get all Saturday Night Live s recorded. So
if I'm out or fall asleep early or dont catch all of a show,
Sunday or Monday I can. Same for Letterman on CBS.

Can also be done without a subscription using manual recordings. These
shows rarely change time slots.

I didn't think much with the promos for Playmakers, so I
ignored it. 7 weeks later after great reviews they had
a Marathon on ESPN2 and I captured them all. Now I save
them off to Videotape as I watch.

This is where the subscription comes in handy. Unless you knew there was
a marathon coming up.

ScreenSavers on TechTV. maybe one show in 5 is worthwhile,
but i record them all, and when I get a chance, I can watch
or fast forward or instantly Delete any show.

Also can be done with manual recordings. If of course they are on
constantly.

My wife decided years after it went into syndication,
that she likes JAG so she records them, watches them,
deletes them, stopping in middle, zipping through commercials
etc when she wants. No shuffling Video tapes.

Same here for manuals.

+ With a Wish List you never have to search program guides.
I have on my Wish List
Ernie Kovacs
Space 1999
Futurama
I don't have to spend (literally hours) searching program
guides for irregularly or rarely scheduled programs. If
they're on Tivo records them, and with DirecTivo the
recording is identical in quality with original.

This is where you need the subscription. Search and record by show title,
by stars, etc, etc. Also failed to mention, if a show moves, Tivo will
follow the show to the new time slot. Barring conflicts, etc.

"Joe" wrote in news:lvdpb.86008$vj2.77347
@fed1read06:

So you have to select your own shows to record.... So what? it saves
$150 per year (or $250) to get the DVR.

You already said that came to the group to research Tivo for your client
and despite your report, your client still wants Tivo.

So now that your stated purpose is over, why are you still sticking around
to disagree with folks who like the Tivo?

* orwell Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on 2 Nov 2003 23:46:31 GMT:
"Joe" wrote in news:lvdpb.86008$vj2.77347
@fed1read06:

So you have to select your own shows to record.... So what? it saves
$150 per year (or $250) to get the DVR.

You already said that came to the group to research Tivo for your client
and despite your report, your client still wants Tivo.

So now that your stated purpose is over, why are you still sticking around
to disagree with folks who like the Tivo?

becasue that what Trolls do.
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Joe wrote:
I do not see that the Series 1 are still for sale. -Joe

http://www.servicedvr.com/Extra/BuyExtraTivo.asp
All the units on that page are Series 1.

Jeff Rife wrote:

There aren't any PVRs that don't require payment for a subscription...
either at the time of purchase or at intervals thereafter.

There are, but instead of being bundled with a program listing service,
they're bundled with DVD recorders and cost more than most people want
to pay for a simple VCR substitute. The fact that none of the consumer
electronics manufacturers has introduced a simple hard disk replacement
for the VCR indicates to me that they don't think there's much of a
market for such a product.

Neill Massello ) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
There aren't any PVRs that don't require payment for a subscription...
either at the time of purchase or at intervals thereafter.

There are

No, there aren't.

PVR (personal video recorder) has come to mean "intelligent recorder that
records what the user wants auto-magically" while DVR (digital video
recorder) means just that...something that records video digitally.

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In article ,
DaveDiego
wrote:

EXACTLY - TIVO is a different paradigm if you let it be.

+ With a Season Pass you never have to set to record a
favorite program again!

Example - I get all Saturday Night Live s recorded. So
if I'm out or fall asleep early or dont catch all of a show,
Sunday or Monday I can. Same for Letterman on CBS.

Can also be done without a subscription using manual recordings. These
shows rarely change time slots.

But I dont have to shuffle Video tapes, I save hours every week.


I didn't think much with the promos for Playmakers, so I
ignored it. 7 weeks later after great reviews they had
a Marathon on ESPN2 and I captured them all. Now I save
them off to Videotape as I watch.

This is where the subscription comes in handy. Unless you knew there was
a marathon coming up.

ScreenSavers on TechTV. maybe one show in 5 is worthwhile,
but i record them all, and when I get a chance, I can watch
or fast forward or instantly Delete any show.

Also can be done with manual recordings. If of course they are on
constantly.

But so much time is saved. Time equals money, and hours per week are
saved by not doing manual recordings. Or is your time only worth 50
cents epr hour.




My wife decided years after it went into syndication,
that she likes JAG so she records them, watches them,
deletes them, stopping in middle, zipping through commercials
etc when she wants. No shuffling Video tapes.

Same here for manuals.

Again the whole beauty of Tivo is not messing with manual recordings.


+ With a Wish List you never have to search program guides.
I have on my Wish List
Ernie Kovacs
Space 1999
Futurama
I don't have to spend (literally hours) searching program
guides for irregularly or rarely scheduled programs. If
they're on Tivo records them, and with DirecTivo the
recording is identical in quality with original.

This is where you need the subscription. Search and record by show title,
by stars, etc, etc. Also failed to mention, if a show moves, Tivo will
follow the show to the new time slot. Barring conflicts, etc.

A minor gotcha, if the show's name changes
i.e. Dragnet == L.A. Dragnet, you need new Subscribe settings

Also if a show being recorded in reruns changes channel, subscribe
settings need to be changed, but thats a once a year issue rather than a
weekly or daily issue as with a VCR.

If you watch TV more than 10 hours a week, and fully utilize Tivo's
capabilities, most folks can't go back. Get more to watch with less
effort, get it on your time schedule, wiithout spending hours checking
TV schedules or archived Video tapes.

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:33:11 -0800, "Joe"
wrote:


Then, after the lawsuits, Tivo raises the price for the service to $50 per
month. And we all pay it because they will deactivate our car...Err, I mean
PVR if we don't. -Joe


This feels like a death penalty debate, it seems to go on and on.

Only because you think it is OK for a company to extort money from it's
victims (I mean loyal customers) -Joe

TIVO will not raise prices to an amount like that.
TIVO can't raise costs to an amount that high in and remain in
business. Unlike things you *must have* like shelter and food,
nobody, not one single individual must have a TIVO. TIVO is a luxury.
You can live without luxuries. When the price is too high,
subscribers will simply cancel service.

And there is no extortion going on. You either like the TIVO business
model or you don't. Since you seem to imply you can't afford it, move
on. Again, this isn't a must have item like food. This is a luxury
you can easily live without.

It is always amazing that people like you expect someone else to do
work that will be of benefit to you (the work of assembling the guide
data) but yet you are unwilling to the point of flat out refusal to
pay for it, and you even mention considering legal action to require
that TIVO do the work and give it you for nothing. Don't you have any
respect for the labor/efforts of others? Have you no shame? Do you
yourself work for free? If I were TIVO, I'd refuse to have any
business relationship with you. No TIVO for you.