Tivo Pause during recording
 

This may have been brought up in a previous thread. I was wondering is it in
anyway possible to pause TiVo's recording during commercials, don't get me
wrong, I am not talking about automatically, but manually as if you were
using a VCR and wanted to manually edit out the commercials, I feel and
think this should be possible. However I know there were some legal issues
in regards to the automation of that in the past if I recall correctly,
however a manual pause I don't see that being a problem as that's what a VCR
can already do.

Any info on this would be great,
Thanks,
Chris

"Chris H" wrote in message
...
This may have been brought up in a previous thread. I was wondering is it in
anyway possible to pause TiVo's recording during commercials, don't get me
wrong, I am not talking about automatically, but manually as if you were
using a VCR and wanted to manually edit out the commercials, I feel and
think this should be possible.

It sounds like you're new to Tivo, and you're treating it too much like a VCR.
Once you get used to Tivo, you'll find that you're not watching the show Tivo
is recording, so such a scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. In fact, often
you're not home or even awake while Tivo is recording.

Ken

I tFri, 12 Sep 2003 07:19:13 -0400, "Ken Alverson"
wrote:

"Chris H" wrote in message
.. .
This may have been brought up in a previous thread. I was wondering is it in
anyway possible to pause TiVo's recording during commercials, don't get me
wrong, I am not talking about automatically, but manually as if you were
using a VCR and wanted to manually edit out the commercials, I feel and
think this should be possible.

It sounds like you're new to Tivo, and you're treating it too much like a VCR.
Once you get used to Tivo, you'll find that you're not watching the show Tivo
is recording, so such a scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. In fact, often
you're not home or even awake while Tivo is recording.

Ken


I think he means to pause commercials when transfering TIVO program to
a VCR. I believe early on in the beginning of TIVO this was possible,
but for some reason they changed it

In article ,
says...
I think he means to pause commercials when transfering TIVO program to
a VCR. I believe early on in the beginning of TIVO this was possible,
but for some reason they changed it


If that's what he is asking, sure it's possible. Just pause the
recording on the VCR when the commercials come on.

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* Bao H. Lammy Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:31:28 -0500:
"Chris H" wrote
This may have been brought up in a previous thread. I was wondering is it in
anyway possible to pause TiVo's recording during commercials, don't get me
wrong, I am not talking about automatically, but manually as if you were
using a VCR and wanted to manually edit out the commercials, I feel and
think this should be possible. However I know there were some legal issues
in regards to the automation of that in the past if I recall correctly,
however a manual pause I don't see that being a problem as that's what a VCR
can already do.

No, you can't with TiVo. Theoretically, yes, it should be possible,
but the device wasn't created with editing in mind. This is one reason
I disagree when people say that TiVo DVRs are simply smart digital
VCRs that use hard drives instead. No, they aren't. They are better
at recording TV shows than VCRs, but VCRs are better for accepting
various input sources and editing. You can connect a camcorder to
a VCR, stick in blank media, and then push Record. Hit Pause at
will to create a new recording that contains just what you want from
the camcorder and nothing more. This is very impractical with TiVo.
It's not even very easy to connect a second source like a camcorder.
You have to lie to TiVo during Guided Setup to access the input
jacks, etc.

However, if you have recorded something with TiVo, outputting it
to something else (like a VCR or DVD recorder) and recording on
the other device works great.

In Theory cant you bring up the banner and stop recording and then bring
it back and start recording or will that overwrite what was written
before the commercial. Havent tried it, just wondering.


--
David | AGM Favorite Games - http://tinyurl.com/loec
Please ignore previous fortune.

"SINNER" wrote
No, you can't with TiVo. Theoretically, yes, it should be possible,
but the device wasn't created with editing in mind. This is one reason
I disagree when people say that TiVo DVRs are simply smart digital
VCRs that use hard drives instead. No, they aren't. They are better
at recording TV shows than VCRs, but VCRs are better for accepting
various input sources and editing. You can connect a camcorder to
a VCR, stick in blank media, and then push Record. Hit Pause at
will to create a new recording that contains just what you want from
the camcorder and nothing more. This is very impractical with TiVo.
It's not even very easy to connect a second source like a camcorder.
You have to lie to TiVo during Guided Setup to access the input
jacks, etc.
However, if you have recorded something with TiVo, outputting it
to something else (like a VCR or DVD recorder) and recording on
the other device works great.
In Theory cant you bring up the banner and stop recording and then bring
it back and start recording or will that overwrite what was written
before the commercial. Havent tried it, just wondering.

I'm sorry, could you reword what you wrote? I have no idea what
you are asking or describing.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:20:53 GMT, (Cletus),
, wrote:

I tFri, 12 Sep 2003 07:19:13 -0400, "Ken Alverson"
wrote:

"Chris H" wrote in message
. ..
This may have been brought up in a previous thread. I was wondering is it in
anyway possible to pause TiVo's recording during commercials, don't get me
wrong, I am not talking about automatically, but manually as if you were
using a VCR and wanted to manually edit out the commercials, I feel and
think this should be possible.

It sounds like you're new to Tivo, and you're treating it too much like a VCR.
Once you get used to Tivo, you'll find that you're not watching the show Tivo
is recording, so such a scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. In fact, often
you're not home or even awake while Tivo is recording.

I think he means to pause commercials when transfering TIVO program to
a VCR. I believe early on in the beginning of TIVO this was possible,
but for some reason they changed it

Other way around, based on my experience. Used to be that if you used
the "copy to videotape" command, it locked out most of the other
buttons. Now you fast-forward through commercials or do the 30-second
skip on them if you want to babysit the videotaping.

--
Beth Friedman

* Bao H. Lammy Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:17:00 -0500:
"SINNER" wrote
No, you can't with TiVo. Theoretically, yes, it should be possible,
but the device wasn't created with editing in mind. This is one reason
I disagree when people say that TiVo DVRs are simply smart digital
VCRs that use hard drives instead. No, they aren't. They are better
at recording TV shows than VCRs, but VCRs are better for accepting
various input sources and editing. You can connect a camcorder to
a VCR, stick in blank media, and then push Record. Hit Pause at
will to create a new recording that contains just what you want from
the camcorder and nothing more. This is very impractical with TiVo.
It's not even very easy to connect a second source like a camcorder.
You have to lie to TiVo during Guided Setup to access the input
jacks, etc.
However, if you have recorded something with TiVo, outputting it
to something else (like a VCR or DVD recorder) and recording on
the other device works great.
In Theory cant you bring up the banner and stop recording and then bring
it back and start recording or will that overwrite what was written
before the commercial. Havent tried it, just wondering.

I'm sorry, could you reword what you wrote? I have no idea what
you are asking or describing.

OK, sorry.

The question was about editing commercials out using just the Tivo, ie
being able to pause the recording if you are watching the show LIVE.

When you press select or Right on the selector, it brings up the banner,
if the show is currently being recorded, it says press select to stop
recording, if the show is NOT being recorded it says press
select/record (sorry, I don't remember exactly) to start recording so my
question is:

I am watching Judge Judy real time and recording it, a commercial comes
up, can I stop the recoding via the menu until the commercial is over
and then bring the menu back up and start recording.

Does this actually start the recording over each time so that you would
only have from the last point you restarted at (Ie overwrites the show
at each press of the record) Or is TiVo smart enough to know it already
started recording this same show and just let it start recording at the
point it last stopped.

Was that clearer?

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* Nomen Nescio Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:20:04 +0200 (CEST):
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:42:52 GMT, Todd Walker
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I think he means to pause commercials when transfering TIVO program to
a VCR. I believe early on in the beginning of TIVO this was possible,
but for some reason they changed it

If that's what he is asking, sure it's possible. Just pause the
recording on the VCR when the commercials come on.

Ugh, transfer/save to VCR -- how quaint.

Here's how I do it:

1. Capture the A/V stream to DV AVI with a Canopus ADVC-100.
2. Import the stream into a non-linear editor.
3. Snip out the commercials.
4. Edit in title screen/intro/outros.
5. Render video to VCD/SVCD/DVD-compliant MPEG-2.
6. Render audio to MPEG-2/Dolby Digital audio.
7. Import/Author [5] and [6] with a VCD/SVCD/DVD-authoring program.
8. Burn to DVD-R.

Using a VCR instead of DVD is like using a VCR instead of a TiVo.

Amount of time spent to do this to 1/2 show?

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The important thing to remember about walking on eggs is not to hop.

"SINNER" wrote
In Theory cant you bring up the banner and stop recording and then bring
it back and start recording or will that overwrite what was written
before the commercial. Havent tried it, just wondering.
I'm sorry, could you reword what you wrote? I have no idea what
you are asking or describing.
OK, sorry.
The question was about editing commercials out using just the Tivo, ie
being able to pause the recording if you are watching the show LIVE.

Yep, got that.


When you press select or Right on the selector, it brings up the banner,
if the show is currently being recorded, it says press select to stop
recording, if the show is NOT being recorded it says press
select/record (sorry, I don't remember exactly) to start recording so my
question is:

Well, pressing Right brings up the banner. I think what you mean
is press RECORD, which does bring up the dialogue above, IIRC.


I am watching Judge Judy real time and recording it, a commercial comes
up, can I stop the recoding via the menu until the commercial is over
and then bring the menu back up and start recording.

No, you can't. Well, yes, you can, but it will be a new recording.
Each time you do this, it will create a new entry in Now Playing.
It's also very imprecise, particularly if you use IR blasting since
there is a delay. You'd have to know the show was coming back
on from ads 10 seconds in advance. And even if you did, I think
it would try to save what was in the buffer (ads) or else ask you
another question about whether you want to save what's in the
buffer (ads). More time lost. If you intend to record at BEST
quality anyway, it won't even ask you, IIRC, and then you still
get the multiple Now Playing entries and you still haven't stripped
all the ads since it wouldn't prompt you about losing what's in
the buffer (ads).


Does this actually start the recording over each time so that you would
only have from the last point you restarted at (Ie overwrites the show
at each press of the record) Or is TiVo smart enough to know it already
started recording this same show and just let it start recording at the
point it last stopped.
Was that clearer?

Yes. Explained above. It will create multiple entries in Now Playing.
It is not smart enough to splice them together, nor am I sure you'd
want them spliced together due to the imperfect editing. Just try it
and you'll see what I mean.

In article ,
Nomen Nescio ] wrote:
Ugh, transfer/save to VCR -- how quaint.

Ugh, doing it your tedious way -- how quaint.

Here's how I do it:

1. Capture the A/V stream to DV AVI with a Canopus ADVC-100.
2. Import the stream into a non-linear editor.
3. Snip out the commercials.
4. Edit in title screen/intro/outros.
5. Render video to VCD/SVCD/DVD-compliant MPEG-2.
6. Render audio to MPEG-2/Dolby Digital audio.
7. Import/Author [5] and [6] with a VCD/SVCD/DVD-authoring program.
8. Burn to DVD-R.

Using a VCR instead of DVD is like using a VCR instead of a TiVo.

Sounds *way way way* more complex than just using an existing recorder with
editing capabilities, e.g. DMR-E80. If you're recording from analog cable
you can just use its internal tuner (thus obviously bypassing Tivo at at all
in this discussion). Otherwise, record onto the machine from Tivo, edit on the
machine, and dub to DVD-R.

In article ,
Nomen Nescio ] wrote:
Although I can burn one 30 minute show to DVD-R that is quite wasteful. If
...
In fact, I've taken nearly all my old VHS tapes, converted them to DVD-R
and thrown the tapes away.

If you care about wastefulness, I hope you recycled the tapes (if that's
even possible.. I'll eventually have many tens of videotapes left over..
Hopefully I'll find a way to recycle them.)

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:20:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
] wrote:

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:42:52 GMT, Todd Walker
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I think he means to pause commercials when transfering TIVO program to
a VCR. I believe early on in the beginning of TIVO this was possible,
but for some reason they changed it

If that's what he is asking, sure it's possible. Just pause the
recording on the VCR when the commercials come on.

Ugh, transfer/save to VCR -- how quaint.

Here's how I do it:

1. Capture the A/V stream to DV AVI with a Canopus ADVC-100.
2. Import the stream into a non-linear editor.
3. Snip out the commercials.
4. Edit in title screen/intro/outros.
5. Render video to VCD/SVCD/DVD-compliant MPEG-2.
6. Render audio to MPEG-2/Dolby Digital audio.
7. Import/Author [5] and [6] with a VCD/SVCD/DVD-authoring program.
8. Burn to DVD-R.

Using a VCR instead of DVD is like using a VCR instead of a TiVo.

That sounds like a good idea. As soon as I figure it out I am
definetly going to try it.

"Matt Ackeret" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nomen Nescio ] wrote:
Although I can burn one 30 minute show to DVD-R that is quite wasteful.
If
..
In fact, I've taken nearly all my old VHS tapes, converted them to DVD-R
and thrown the tapes away.

If you care about wastefulness, I hope you recycled the tapes (if that's
even possible.. I'll eventually have many tens of videotapes left over..
Hopefully I'll find a way to recycle them.)

I was at frys electronics.
This other customer had 2, wd hd 250gbs.

I could not see an application for this much storage capacity.

He is using his tvio for his stuff.
Modding it for these bigger hds.
He explained to me, its faster, reliable, etc.

I was buying a bunch of stuff, and was lucky to get some advise, cause he
was checking out too.

So much to buy, so little time.

my 2 cents