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Bao H. Lammy wrote:
NB: Matt, the links you provided for ~$700 prices for this model seem dubious
to me as the first one mentions a list price of $999. As today is 09/05/2003,
I think it likely that they intend to sell the 510 model in the $700s, not the
810. Why would Pioneer mention list prices *today* that were incorrect with
regard to how they intend to price things -- and a web site that will be
selling the recorders have "more correct" MSRPs?

You may be right, but I have a vague memory from discussion on
avsforum.com a few months ago about a similar situation with one of the
other DVRs (probably Panasonic or Toshiba). Basically,
the manufacturer's own site had a MSRP that was out of date compared with
online retailers. (Though an even _vaguer_ memory is that the MSRP had
actually been _raised_ which caused confusion at the time until someone
in the know corrected it in the discussion I'm vaguely remembering.)

Yes, I admit that's a heck of a lot of "vague"s and "maybe"s.. But
the situation isn't unheard of. I think the big manufacturing companies
don't always keep their web sites up to date.

"Matt Ackeret" wrote
Bao H. Lammy wrote:
NB: Matt, the links you provided for ~$700 prices for this model seem dubious
to me as the first one mentions a list price of $999. As today is 09/05/2003,
I think it likely that they intend to sell the 510 model in the $700s, not the
810. Why would Pioneer mention list prices *today* that were incorrect with
regard to how they intend to price things -- and a web site that will be
selling the recorders have "more correct" MSRPs?
You may be right, but I have a vague memory from discussion on
avsforum.com a few months ago about a similar situation with one of the
other DVRs (probably Panasonic or Toshiba). Basically,
the manufacturer's own site had a MSRP that was out of date compared with
online retailers. (Though an even _vaguer_ memory is that the MSRP had
actually been _raised_ which caused confusion at the time until someone
in the know corrected it in the discussion I'm vaguely remembering.)
Yes, I admit that's a heck of a lot of "vague"s and "maybe"s.. But
the situation isn't unheard of. I think the big manufacturing companies
don't always keep their web sites up to date.

We don't know for sure, I agree. However, this wasn't a spec sheet
of a web site. It was a dated press release. We still don't know for sure.

Shawn Barnhart wrote:
Will it be sold under the Pioneer "Elite" brand name? My guess is that
would account for some of it alone. Plus its really the first Tivo-branded
device with a DVD-R, and maybe one of the first with 4x dubbing. All those
things matter.

The DVR-57H *is* a Pioneer Elite product, according to the press release
dated June 25. The DVR-810HS is not a Pioneer Elite product. The link to
a DVR at $701 at discount-electronic.com *is* a DVR-810HS, according to
the page.

The only place I've been able to find a published price for the DVR-57H
($1800) is also offering the DVR-810HS for $1200, so it looks like $1800
is a list price for the DVR-57H. It remains to be seen whether the
$700-$750 pricing we're seeing for the DVR-810 is even remotely realistic.
It's likely that it'll probably sell for $900 or so at places such as
Circuit City or Best Buy.

The DVR-310 and DVR-510 will *not* have any kind of TiVo service, but will
have firewire ports to permit moving camcorder content to HD for editing
and then burning to DVD.

--Paul
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Lame, lame, lame.

I keep waiting for a DTV enabled, Tivo with a DVD-R/W in it; who's
going to do it first? I guess not Pioneer...

And these new Pioneer units don't mention anything about inputs..
which leads me to believe they are lackluster at best. No component
in? So even if I had a hi-end digital receiver, I couldn't use it with
this unit and expect any kind of hi-res, near-DVD spec video out of
it.

Oh well, I guess we'll wait another year and see what comes of this
sector, but I'm very disgusted that nobody is making what is obviously
well within means to be in production right now.

Jeff-


Paul Wylie wrote in message ...
Shawn Barnhart wrote:
Will it be sold under the Pioneer "Elite" brand name? My guess is that
would account for some of it alone. Plus its really the first Tivo-branded
device with a DVD-R, and maybe one of the first with 4x dubbing. All those
things matter.

The DVR-57H *is* a Pioneer Elite product, according to the press release
dated June 25. The DVR-810HS is not a Pioneer Elite product. The link to
a DVR at $701 at discount-electronic.com *is* a DVR-810HS, according to
the page.

The only place I've been able to find a published price for the DVR-57H
($1800) is also offering the DVR-810HS for $1200, so it looks like $1800
is a list price for the DVR-57H. It remains to be seen whether the
$700-$750 pricing we're seeing for the DVR-810 is even remotely realistic.
It's likely that it'll probably sell for $900 or so at places such as
Circuit City or Best Buy.

The DVR-310 and DVR-510 will *not* have any kind of TiVo service, but will
have firewire ports to permit moving camcorder content to HD for editing
and then burning to DVD.

--Paul
** Note "removemunged" in email address and remove to reply. **

On 27 Sep 2003 21:24:42 -0700, "Scott Seligman"
, , wrote:

(Jeff Papineau) wrote:
I keep waiting for a DTV enabled, Tivo with a DVD-R/W in it; who's
going to do it first? I guess not Pioneer...

Here's a question: Would you still want the unit if the DVDs would
only play in the DTiVo/DVD-R?

I suspect that's at least part of the reason we haven't heard of one
coming down the pike. DirecTV doesn't send a resolution that can be
burned to a normal DVD. Either the signal would have to be re-encoded
(and take a quality hit to something already below DVD quality), or it
would be a special DVD that wouldn't play in a normal DVD player.

Okay, I feel like a bear of very little brain here, but I'm trying to
get this straight.

DTV can't burn to a normal DVD (and be playable by the rest of the
world). But DTV can go to DirecTiVo, and DirecTiVo can burn to a
normal DVD. This is because there's an anolog conversion from
DirecTiVo to the DVD, whereas DTV to DVD directly would use a digital
process.

Correct?

--
Beth Friedman

Beth Friedman wrote:
DTV can't burn to a normal DVD (and be playable by the rest of the
world). But DTV can go to DirecTiVo, and DirecTiVo can burn to a
normal DVD. This is because there's an anolog conversion from
DirecTiVo to the DVD, whereas DTV to DVD directly would use a digital
process.

You've got it. The DirecTiVo decompresses the signal, sends it out,
and the DVD burner re-encodes the signal at the proper
resolution/bit-rate for a DVD and writes it.

It would, of course, be possible for this to be done inside a single
box, though I doubt we'll ever see such a box due to the potentional
cost. And of course, it seems like DirecTV isn't really anxious for
people to be able to easily record their signal onto a DVD.

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