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Jack Dotson November 13th 04 11:19 AM

BEST SATELLITE SERVICE
 
If I can't get my issue with TWC resolved I'm going to be forced to go to
Satellite. I've never used satellite and would like some recommendations on
which is the best. Also, I have four T.V's, will I have to pay for a box
for each room and how about HD? I only have a HD set in one room, so will I
have to buy a box for that room or do the Satellite company's provide like
the cable company's do?

Thanks



Mr Fixit November 13th 04 04:00 PM

Jack:

Quality of service (grade of signal quality) is literally magnificent from
both DirecTV and Dish Network. Consumer Reports rated DirecTV better on
customer service (which can be important). If you need a variety of
foreign language stations then look to Dish. If you're looking for better
Sports coverage, then hands down, it's DirecTV. Both offer lots of
pay-per-view (PPV) movies including several hardcore porn channels. Dish
Network even has a Gay & Lesbian channel (DTV does not).

Cost-wise, Dish Network's most basic start-up offering is cheaper than
DirecTV's, but there's very little included in the Dish Network "basic",
so that comparison is unfair. Identically provisioned with approximately
the same channels & premium networks the overall long-term costs (after
signup incentives expire) is roughly the same.

Signup incentives vary from time to time, but usually include such things
as free receivers (set top boxes) for up to 4 rooms, free installation,
DVR package deals, 6 months free service, etc., etc. These all come in
various combinations and bundles from each provider. Many times whatever
one offers the other will match or will counter with some similar deal.

We initially started out with Dish, but then after a year switched to
DirecTV because at the time Dish didn't carry our LOCALS and DirecTV did.
Now Dish has 'em too, but requires a second dish or else an oblong one
with a second LNB. With DTV you only need ONE antenna (except in certain
areas). Be forewarned, "locals" cost extra from both providers. You also
have to pay extra (monthly) for each additional STB you want to have
connected.

Rain fade? Yes, you'll experience rain fade, with either system, but it
isn't bad except during heavy downpours. Even then you can tip the odds in
your favor by installing a 1-meter (40") dish instead of the little 18"
pizza pan. The 1-meter dish drags in 4-times as much signal as the 18"
dish resulting in a dramatic improvement in rain fade. We'll still
occasionally lose signal but it has to be a literal torrent of rain. As
the storm passes over the signal will stay in longer and come back sooner
with the 40" dish. In northern climates where you get a lot of snow you
will need to sweep the snow off the dish, so install it where you can
reach it or get an extension pole for your broom :-) In any case rain
fade will clear up when the storm blows over. By contrast to cable, when
your neighbor hits the cable line with his roto-tiller you could be out
for days until someone gets around to fixing it.

For High Definition service you'll generally want an OTA (Over The Air)
antenna because presently neither Dish nor DTV carry locals in HD. DirecTV
is working on adding them in a few test markets, but they'll of course
cost more than standard locals. Both providers DO CARRY some HD
programming, but it's additional cost.

Programming-wise, the sky's the limit with both services, from as little
as $30-$40 a month for a single receiver and no premium channels to as
much as $200-300 a month for the whole enchalada, sports, High-def, all
the premium networks and some PPVs, etc.

We currently pay approx $80 monthly for DirecTV service which includes:
4 receivers
Local Channels
hBO (several channels)

To get *all* the premium networks (HBO + SHOWTIME + CINEMAX + STARZ) my
bill would jump to about $110 monthly including tax. HD service would add
another $11.

PPV movies vary in cost but average $3.99 for an "all-day ticket" - and
are only viewable from the specific receiver from which they were ordered.
Premium channels (HBO, etc) can be viewed from any STB in the house.

I don't know about Dish, but with DTV you may have up to a maximum of 20
receivers (STBs) on the same account.

We've been extremely pleased with DirecTV and can recommend them highly.

In article "Jack Dotson"
writes:

If I can't get my issue with TWC resolved I'm going to be forced to go to
Satellite. I've never used satellite and would like some recommendations on
which is the best. Also, I have four T.V's, will I have to pay for a box
for each room and how about HD? I only have a HD set in one room, so will I
have to buy a box for that room or do the Satellite company's provide like
the cable company's do?

Thanks



Mr Fixit November 13th 04 04:04 PM

In article "Jack Dotson"
writes:

If I can't get my issue with TWC resolved I'm going to be forced to go to
Satellite. I've never used satellite and would like some recommendations on
which is the best. Also, I have four T.V's, will I have to pay for a box
for each room and how about HD? I only have a HD set in one room, so will I
have to buy a box for that room or do the Satellite company's provide like
the cable company's do?


By the way, do not under any circumstances invest in "used" equipment
except for the actual antenna. Neither service will resubscribe any
previously subscribed equipment, so your money will be wasted.

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"Mr Fixit" wrote in message
...
Jack:

Quality of service (grade of signal quality) is literally magnificent from
both DirecTV and Dish Network. Consumer Reports rated DirecTV better on
customer service (which can be important). If you need a variety of
foreign language stations then look to Dish. If you're looking for better
Sports coverage, then hands down, it's DirecTV. Both offer lots of
pay-per-view (PPV) movies including several hardcore porn channels. Dish
Network even has a Gay & Lesbian channel (DTV does not).


All the more reason NOT to go with Dish. Who in the hell needs or want a
gay channel? You can rent those pornos if you really need to see that
stuff.


Cost-wise, Dish Network's most basic start-up offering is cheaper than
DirecTV's, but there's very little included in the Dish Network "basic",
so that comparison is unfair. Identically provisioned with approximately
the same channels & premium networks the overall long-term costs (after
signup incentives expire) is roughly the same.

Signup incentives vary from time to time, but usually include such things
as free receivers (set top boxes) for up to 4 rooms, free installation,
DVR package deals, 6 months free service, etc., etc. These all come in
various combinations and bundles from each provider. Many times whatever
one offers the other will match or will counter with some similar deal.

We initially started out with Dish, but then after a year switched to
DirecTV because at the time Dish didn't carry our LOCALS and DirecTV did.
Now Dish has 'em too, but requires a second dish or else an oblong one
with a second LNB. With DTV you only need ONE antenna (except in certain
areas). Be forewarned, "locals" cost extra from both providers. You also
have to pay extra (monthly) for each additional STB you want to have
connected.

Rain fade? Yes, you'll experience rain fade, with either system, but it
isn't bad except during heavy downpours. Even then you can tip the odds in
your favor by installing a 1-meter (40") dish instead of the little 18"
pizza pan. The 1-meter dish drags in 4-times as much signal as the 18"
dish resulting in a dramatic improvement in rain fade. We'll still
occasionally lose signal but it has to be a literal torrent of rain. As
the storm passes over the signal will stay in longer and come back sooner
with the 40" dish. In northern climates where you get a lot of snow you
will need to sweep the snow off the dish, so install it where you can
reach it or get an extension pole for your broom :-) In any case rain
fade will clear up when the storm blows over. By contrast to cable, when
your neighbor hits the cable line with his roto-tiller you could be out
for days until someone gets around to fixing it.

For High Definition service you'll generally want an OTA (Over The Air)
antenna because presently neither Dish nor DTV carry locals in HD. DirecTV
is working on adding them in a few test markets, but they'll of course
cost more than standard locals. Both providers DO CARRY some HD
programming, but it's additional cost.

Programming-wise, the sky's the limit with both services, from as little
as $30-$40 a month for a single receiver and no premium channels to as
much as $200-300 a month for the whole enchalada, sports, High-def, all
the premium networks and some PPVs, etc.

We currently pay approx $80 monthly for DirecTV service which includes:
4 receivers
Local Channels
hBO (several channels)

To get *all* the premium networks (HBO + SHOWTIME + CINEMAX + STARZ) my
bill would jump to about $110 monthly including tax. HD service would add
another $11.

PPV movies vary in cost but average $3.99 for an "all-day ticket" - and
are only viewable from the specific receiver from which they were ordered.
Premium channels (HBO, etc) can be viewed from any STB in the house.

I don't know about Dish, but with DTV you may have up to a maximum of 20
receivers (STBs) on the same account.

We've been extremely pleased with DirecTV and can recommend them highly.

In article "Jack Dotson"
writes:

If I can't get my issue with TWC resolved I'm going to be forced to go to
Satellite. I've never used satellite and would like some recommendations

on
which is the best. Also, I have four T.V's, will I have to pay for a box
for each room and how about HD? I only have a HD set in one room, so

will I
have to buy a box for that room or do the Satellite company's provide

like
the cable company's do?

Thanks





SAC 441 November 14th 04 02:57 AM

You may want to consider also the DirecTV/HD/DVR (TiVO) unit.It combines
the Tivo service and high definition capability along with dual tuner
capability and a DVR all integrated into one unit.I have heard it is a
bit on the expensive side though.Anywhere from $799-$999.
As a side note,DirecTV has announced that they will be launching 2
Spaceway satellites capable of providing LOCAL channels in high
definition.They are Ka-Band birds,so it will mean either a different or
add-on receiver to what you already have.This is supposed to happen in 2
years according to press releases.So,you may want to wait depending on
your needs or desires.


Deborah Proctor November 14th 04 08:52 PM


"SAC 441" wrote in message
...
You may want to consider also the DirecTV/HD/DVR (TiVO) unit.It combines
the Tivo service and high definition capability along with dual tuner
capability and a DVR all integrated into one unit.I have heard it is a
bit on the expensive side though.Anywhere from $799-$999.
As a side note,DirecTV has announced that they will be launching 2
Spaceway satellites capable of providing LOCAL channels in high
definition.They are Ka-Band birds,so it will mean either a different or
add-on receiver to what you already have.This is supposed to happen in 2
years according to press releases.So,you may want to wait depending on
your needs or desires.


I say VOOM. It has the most to offer in HD programming.

Deborah Proctor




Mr Fixit November 14th 04 10:45 PM

In article k.net
"Deborah Proctor" writes:


I say VOOM. It has the most to offer in HD programming.


Today, perhaps, but not for long. We also don't all watch HD at every
waking moment. A lot of people enjoy the more mainstream channels, like
USA Network, Women's Entertainment, Lifetime, The History Channel, CNN,
etc., etc., ad. nauseum. DirecTV (and Dish) also carry regional locals,
which VOOM does not. If you want locals w/VOOM you are forced to put up an
additional outside antenna and then deal with OTA reception issues. We
don't all want an "HD" service provider as our only source of satellite
TV.

Given the available choices I personally would place VOOM dead last among
viable options.

SAC 441 November 14th 04 10:54 PM

Deborah Proctor wrote:
----"I say VOOM.It has the most to offer in HD programming."----


Reply:
You are kidding right? They may offer more HD programming NOW,but in a
couple of years DirecTV will leave them in the dust.....Do you read
DirecTV press releases at all? And what they are planning? As far as
VOOM goes,they only have about 40,000 customers nationwide and only
EFFECTIVELY cover half the country.
At an orbital location of 61.5=B0 W,it is difficult for a lot of people
on the west coast to pick them up.And Wall Street and other financial
gurus are blasting why they continue to even exist....Rainbow DBS has
been leaking money BIG TIME since it was launched.I don't see VOOM as
being a viable FUTURE long term option.


Mr Fixit November 14th 04 11:50 PM

Only my opinion here, but at the present rate of financial hemorrhaging,
and without a major cash infusion, I predict VOOM will be out of business
in just a matter of months. Read the financials.

In article
(SAC 441) writes:

Deborah Proctor wrote:
----"I say VOOM.It has the most to offer in HD programming."----


Reply:
You are kidding right? They may offer more HD programming NOW,but in a
couple of years DirecTV will leave them in the dust.....Do you read
DirecTV press releases at all? And what they are planning? As far as
VOOM goes,they only have about 40,000 customers nationwide and only
EFFECTIVELY cover half the country.
At an orbital location of 61.5° W,it is difficult for a lot of people
on the west coast to pick them up.And Wall Street and other financial
gurus are blasting why they continue to even exist....Rainbow DBS has
been leaking money BIG TIME since it was launched.I don't see VOOM as
being a viable FUTURE long term option.



Deborah Proctor November 15th 04 01:11 AM


"Mr Fixit" wrote in message
...
In article k.net
"Deborah Proctor" writes:


I say VOOM. It has the most to offer in HD programming.


Today, perhaps, but not for long. We also don't all watch HD at every
waking moment. A lot of people enjoy the more mainstream channels, like
USA Network, Women's Entertainment, Lifetime, The History Channel, CNN,
etc., etc., ad. nauseum. DirecTV (and Dish) also carry regional locals,
which VOOM does not. If you want locals w/VOOM you are forced to put up an
additional outside antenna and then deal with OTA reception issues. We
don't all want an "HD" service provider as our only source of satellite
TV.


VOOM provided me with an antenna and installed it for me so I could receive
local channels. This is a HD newsgroup. For the best in HD programming...
VOOM is the answer.

Given the available choices I personally would place VOOM dead last among
viable options.


That's because you are a retailer and don't offer VOOM. I subscribe to VOOM
and say it beats both DirecTV and DishNetwork.

Deborah Proctor





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