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Won't you be surprised when the FCC, all broadcasters, and all
consumers suddenly see the light and decide to drop 8VSB and go to COFDM. Yes I would Phil, yes I would. Fear not, that scenerio will never happen despite what our resident Snake Oil Salesman says. |
I have $1000 that says that it will not happen.
Mark, I'll take your $1,000 and raise you $1,000 that it won't happen. :) |
On 2004-11-15 09:34:42 -0800, Mark Crispin said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Phil wrote: Won't you be surprised when the FCC, all broadcasters, and all consumers suddenly see the light and decide to drop 8VSB and go to COFDM. The prophet shall be vindicated. I have $1000 that says that it will not happen. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. I'll remember to include a few smileys in the future.. for the humor impaired. I thought that with the content it would be obvious. But, looking back over some of Bob's earlier posts I can see where people would be confused by seemingly ludicrous assertions that the author actually believes to be true. |
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:58:46 GMT, Phil
wrote: Won't you be surprised when the FCC, all broadcasters, and all consumers suddenly see the light and decide to drop 8VSB and go to COFDM. The prophet shall be vindicated. Broadcasters already know which is better. However, the FCC has made our bed and we shall be forced to lie in it. |
Phil Witt wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:58:46 GMT, Phil wrote: Won't you be surprised when the FCC, all broadcasters, and all consumers suddenly see the light and decide to drop 8VSB and go to COFDM. The prophet shall be vindicated. Broadcasters already know which is better. However, the FCC has made our bed and we shall be forced to lie in it. Broadcasters know which is better but it doesn't affect them at the moment. It didn't affect them when the decision was being made either. They were and are concentrating on where they make there money today and that is must carry. Since they were not paying attention, not very worried about their OTA broadcasting and very concentrated on their must carry rights they did not participate a lot in the decision making process that led up to the modulation decision that chose 8-VSB. Later when a more forward thinking broadcaster, Sinclair, discovered that COFDM was far better than 8-VSB they paid a little attention. Many broadcasters including NBC, ABC, Pappas, Granite and a few others joined Sinclair in advocating COFDM. ABC in particular knew full well that COFDM was far better because they had been testing it for a number of years. When LG and Harris and other special interest who had a lot riding on 8-VSB voiced opposition to the broadcasters belated interest in COFDM, they did so because they thought that they were about to reap a quick windfall as HD mania swept the nation. The broadcasters were seen as trying to delay the transition and hence the super profitable windfall envisioned by the CEA members and transmitter manufacturers like Harris. They pulled every string in Washington DC to attack the broadcasters and the politicians did the dirty work of threatening the broadcasters with loss of spectrum and loss of must carry rights. Broadcasters were truly very afraid. They live in a glass house of must carry that only survived a Supreme Court challenge by a vote of 5 to 4. They beat a hasty retreat before the threats especially after the hearings in 2000, the subsequent fraudulent MSTV test and further direct threats delivered face to face directly by key Congressional powerhouses just before they, broadcasters, voted on COFDM/8-VSB in January 2001. That is past history. In the near future broadcasters will face another threat. New broadcasters will appear who will deliver OTA programming to fixed and mobile devices. This will siphon viewership from OTA, cable and satellite. Broadcasters will not be shy about this threat because it will be wildly successful. It already is happening in other countries. The death of cable is openly discussed already in other countries because of the success of OTA ventures there. When this happens broadcasters will ask for the right to compete with the same tools their competitors have. That is COFDM. Since the modulation wars have already been fought and are over and since both the transmitter manufacturers like Harris saw their sales killed by 8-VSB and LG saw little or no royalties from 8-VSB receivers and since the digital transition has been such an utter failure in the US, the FCC and Congress will have no problem and broadcasters will have little opposition from the CEA or such as Harris. COFDM will be allowed in a heartbeat and little or NO attention will be given to the plight of the consumer who has bought an 8-VSB receiver. Why should they start then? The consumer has always been given ZERO consideration by the FCC and Congress in the digital TV transition. Bob Miller |
Since they were not paying attention, not very worried about their OTA
broadcasting and very concentrated on their must carry rights they did not participate a lot in the decision making process that led up to the modulation decision that chose 8-VSB. If, as you claim (and you are virtually ALWAYS wrong), the broadcasters "knew" that COFDM was better, then they could have found SOMEONE within their organizations to carry on the fight. BOB, stop your CRAP! Later when a more forward thinking broadcaster, Sinclair, discovered that COFDM was far better than 8-VSB they paid a little attention. You mean the same "forward thinking" broadcaster that later gave their SEAL OF APPROVAL to 8VSB? BOB, stop your CRAP!! When LG and Harris and other special interest who had a lot riding on 8-VSB voiced opposition to the broadcasters belated interest in COFDM, they did so because they thought that they were about to reap a quick windfall as HD mania You mean the same windfall that YOU were expecting to reap with a COFDM modulation scheme? The same windfall that you didn't reap and have been exceedingly bitter ever since? The same windfall that you didn't reap and now blame everybody and everything for its failure? THAT windfall BOB? BOB, stop your CRAP! They pulled every string in Washington DC to attack the broadcasters and the politicians did the dirty work of threatening the broadcasters with loss of spectrum and loss of must carry rights. Ah, we're now back to the conspiracy theories and the big bad government explanations. Hey folks, as I pointed out above, BOB will blame everyone and everything for his failure to bet on the right horse. BOB, stop your CRAP! New broadcasters will appear who will deliver OTA programming to fixed and mobile devices. This will siphon viewership from OTA, cable and satellite. Interesting BOB. How will receiving OTA programming in a mobile envronment (see folks, BOB never considers that most states don't even allow you to use a cellphone without a hands free device, let alone a freaking TV....this guy lives on another planet) take away from cable and satellite IN THE HOME? BOB, stop your fear tactics and cut the CRAP!!! Broadcasters will not be shy about this threat because it will be wildly successful. Golly BOB, as 'wildly successful' as the COFDM revolution you predicted years ago? You remember, the COFDM revolution you said would destroy 8VSB. You remember BOB, that revolution that NEVER HAPPENED! BOB, stop your CRAP!! It already is happening in other countries. Yeah BOB, we also remember the countries you 'said' would go to COFDM but didn't. But ofcourse you had excuses for THOSE too. BOB, stop your CRAP! The death of cable is openly discussed already in other countries because of the success of OTA ventures there. That's great BOB, we live in the U.S. where cable is the predominant means of delivery and will be for a long time. No imminent 'cable death' in this country. But hey BOB, you've always been more concerned about what's happening in China, England and wherever else than what's happening here. In fact BOB, one of your big problems is you've never been able to understand that what's good for other countries may not be good for this country. So BOB, stop your CRAP!!! COFDM will be allowed in a heartbeat and little or NO attention will be given to the plight of the consumer who has bought an 8-VSB receiver. And folks, the above is at the HEART of all of BOB's lies. He has forever tried to instill fear in the hearts of any potential buyers by FALSELY, repeat FALSELY stating that the death of 8VSB is imminent. He's been saying it for YEARS. The only thing that happens in the interim is that 8VSB gets more and more entrenched, investments in the 8VSB infrastructure grow and grow AND improvements in the 8VSB technology continue to gain and gain to the point where saying that COFDM is superior to 8VSB is laughable. BOB wants to put a STOP to all 8VSB tuner purchases. He will lie, distort and embellish to get his evil deeds accomplished. BOB, stop your CRAP!!!!!!! The consumer has always been given ZERO consideration by the FCC and Congress in the digital TV transition. Yeah, BOB keeps saying that. Oh, by the way, did I tell you that BOB does NOT, repeat, does NOT have an HDTV? Interesting isn't it? Excuse me while I enjoy the utterly gorgeous 8VSB HD picture on my HDTV.....delivered FREE and in the highest quality possible. By the way, I'm about 35 miles from the transmitters and have beautiful trouble free reception with this 'failed 8VSB' scheme. OH, and BOB, STOP THE CRAP!!!! People, do not let yourself be fooled by this Snake Oil Salesman. He wants you pay for your OTA TV. He does NOT want you to watch glorious FREE OTA HD. He is a desperate businessman who has banked on a failed modulation scheme. He is doing whatever he can to save his shirt and he'll do that if it means ripping the shirt off of YOUR back. Trust me on this. |
Jeff Rife wrote in message ...
Chet Hayes ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv: I don't see how you can compare setting a voltage std with mandating consumers pay for and buy something that most will never use. There is no comparison at all. The voltage std analogy would be setting the NTSC std, not forcing one to buy a tuner. Then you should be up in arms about cable-ready analog tuners in larger TVs. Various surveys show that those tuners are *never* used because the sets use satellite, digital cable, or external HD tuners as their only "TV". This has been true for several years, yet nobody seems to mind the fact that all those sets have "useless" tuners they are paying for. Yes, I agree! Only difference is the cost of these useless tuners is a lot less than the ones currently being mandated for HD. |
Chet Hayes wrote:
Yes, I agree! Only difference is the cost of these useless tuners is a lot less than the ones currently being mandated for HD. If the FCC had mandated digital cable ready ATSC tuners day one, they would be cheap by now, too. Matthew |
Matthew L. Martin ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Yes, I agree! Only difference is the cost of these useless tuners is a lot less than the ones currently being mandated for HD. If the FCC had mandated digital cable ready ATSC tuners day one, they would be cheap by now, too. Correct. Secondly, nobody really knows how much an NTSC cable/OTA tuner adds to the price of a set. Last I looked, a standalone NTSC cable/OTA tuner cost around $80 (although I'm sure there are places you can get them cheaper if you hunt). With standalone ATSC tuners selling for $200, I'm not sure the real cost of the tuner is much different, and that's without a full mandate for the ATSC tuner that would allow economies of scale. -- Jeff Rife | SPAM bait: | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Dilbert/DoomedProject.jpg | | |
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