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On 08/05/2016 08:26, Martin wrote:


it does.
just turn them on using the help button on the sky remote.

You have to have them turned on at the time you make the recording, unless
things have changed recently, it is still like that.




just tried.
started playing something from bbc i had recorded, pressed help button,
selected subtitles on - voila.
now i have subtitles for the program.

--
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That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 May 2016 17:31:27 +0200, Martin wrote:

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

because the recordings were generally far from perfect

At least we could play them. A recording that won't play at all is
even further from perfect.

That's the situation now with old VHS recordings and broken drive belt VHS
recorders.

Sadly that's true, but there seems no reason why digital information
couldn't be maintained in its original form without any numerical
degradation as long as we routinely run equipment that can store
digital files. That looks to be at least until the oil runs out, and
maybe longer if we can perfect something else before it does.

Rod.

The reason is that in the days of VCR's, the recordings you made weren't
good enough be resold as originals. Digital recordings are as good as the
originals, and the programme makers don't want their efforts to go
unrewarded.
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Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2016 11:22:48 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 08/05/2016 08:26, Martin wrote:


it does.
just turn them on using the help button on the sky remote.

You have to have them turned on at the time you make the recording, unless
things have changed recently, it is still like that.




just tried.
started playing something from bbc i had recorded, pressed help button,
selected subtitles on - voila.
now i have subtitles for the program.

My daughter tried again earlier today. it is still the way I said it was.

I never normally use subtitles, so nothing has been recorded with STs
turned on. Just tried playing back recordings from Ch4 and BBC1 and both
could have the STs turned on. Sky HD box.

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On 06/05/2016 22:39, tim... wrote:







I would imagine in a world where an on demand recording will delete in
a particular period,

but do they?

tim



on sky yes

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On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


so nobody knows why I can record on-demand on sky, but not on-demand on
a Humax freesat box, particularly with regard to a publicly funded
broadcaster like BBC.

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On 08/05/2016 12:10, Martin wrote:

You have to have them turned on at the time you make the recording, unless
things have changed recently, it is still like that.

When I had a Sky+ box (2001 to 2006) it had nothing to do with with
whether you had s/ts enabled or not. In any case PVRs such as the Sky
box record the entire data stream raw, and the decoding of audio, video,
and ancillary data such as s/ts is performed on playback.

Despite that you don't see subtitles on a Sky PVR recording play back unless
they were turned on when you made the recording.

That never used to be the case, and I'm pretty sure it still isn't.

I assume you've just tried it ?

I'll have access to a Sky box tomorrow, I'll try it



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On 08/05/2016 14:42, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:00:22 +0000 (UTC), Tweed wrote:

just tried.
started playing something from bbc i had recorded, pressed help button,
selected subtitles on - voila.
now i have subtitles for the program.

My daughter tried again earlier today. it is still the way I said it was.

I never normally use subtitles, so nothing has been recorded with STs
turned on. Just tried playing back recordings from Ch4 and BBC1 and both
could have the STs turned on. Sky HD box.


There's possibly something wrong with her Sky Box???


Oh for goodness sake Martin, I'd stop digging if I were you.



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On 08/05/2016 17:03, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 15:23:25 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

On 08/05/2016 14:42, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:00:22 +0000 (UTC), Tweed wrote:

just tried.
started playing something from bbc i had recorded, pressed help button,
selected subtitles on - voila.
now i have subtitles for the program.

My daughter tried again earlier today. it is still the way I said it was.

I never normally use subtitles, so nothing has been recorded with STs
turned on. Just tried playing back recordings from Ch4 and BBC1 and both
could have the STs turned on. Sky HD box.


There's possibly something wrong with her Sky Box???

Oh for goodness sake Martin, I'd stop digging if I were you.

Eh? You don't think that is a possibility?

I could well imagine a fault that inhibits the display of subtitles on
live *and* recorded programmes, but not one or the other.

As explained, programmes that are recorded onto the HDD, and are not
decoded until playback, so it is impossible to inhibit the recording of
only one part of the recording, (such as just the s/ts, or just the
audio, or just the video).

It might be the subtitle insertion routine for the box has crashed,
but that would affect live and recordings.

Has your daughter tried giving the box a full mains cycle reboot ? As
Jomtien (Possibly RIP) used to say in his Usenet signature, 'A reboot
solves 90% of Sky Box problems'

--
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On Sun, 8 May 2016 11:55:09 +0100, "Dave W"
wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sadly that's true, but there seems no reason why digital
information
couldn't be maintained in its original form without any numerical
degradation as long as we routinely run equipment that can store
digital files. That looks to be at least until the oil runs out,
and
maybe longer if we can perfect something else before it does.

The reason is that in the days of VCR's, the recordings you made
weren't
good enough be resold as originals. Digital recordings are as good
as the
originals, and the programme makers don't want their efforts to go
unrewarded.

That consideration didn't stop music publishers from moaning about
'home taping' on audio cassette, and trying to get a levy on blank
tapes. They even successfully sued Amstrad for saying their dual
drive recorder would be useful for duplicating recordings. The reason
for all this DRM on digital stuff is that they can.

--
Max Demian

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On 08/05/2016 14:47, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


so nobody knows why I can record on-demand on sky, but not on-demand on
a Humax freesat box, particularly with regard to a publicly funded
broadcaster like BBC.



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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On 08/05/2016 19:28, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 08/05/2016 14:47, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


so nobody knows why I can record on-demand on sky, but not on-demand on
a Humax freesat box, particularly with regard to a publicly funded
broadcaster like BBC.



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

don't think that's true, with sky I can watch at any time, until it self
destructs. With freesat I have to decide to watch and then do it.

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On 08/05/2016 19:28, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 08/05/2016 14:47, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


so nobody knows why I can record on-demand on sky, but not on-demand on
a Humax freesat box, particularly with regard to a publicly funded
broadcaster like BBC.



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

don't think that's true, with sky I can watch at any time, until it self
destructs. With freesat I have to decide to watch and then do it.

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On 08/05/2016 20:36, critcher wrote:
On 08/05/2016 19:28, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 08/05/2016 14:47, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


so nobody knows why I can record on-demand on sky, but not on-demand on
a Humax freesat box, particularly with regard to a publicly funded
broadcaster like BBC.



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

don't think that's true, with sky I can watch at any time, until it self
destructs. With freesat I have to decide to watch and then do it.


there I did it twice !!!

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
.. .

That consideration didn't stop music publishers from moaning about 'home taping'
on audio cassette, and trying to get a levy on blank tapes. They even successfully
sued Amstrad for saying their dual drive recorder would be useful for duplicating
recordings.

They sued them unsuccessfully actually.

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On 08/05/2016 20:35, critcher wrote:



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

don't think that's true, with sky I can watch at any time, until it self
destructs. With freesat I have to decide to watch and then do it.


if you record it yes.
but if you download it from the on demand section.....
obviously not anything you're actually paying for.
--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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On Sun, 8 May 2016 22:11:17 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:
"Max Demian" wrote in message
.. .

That consideration didn't stop music publishers from moaning
about 'home taping'
on audio cassette, and trying to get a levy on blank tapes. They
even successfully
sued Amstrad for saying their dual drive recorder would be useful
for duplicating
recordings.

They sued them unsuccessfully actually.

It appears both sides claimed victory:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ByQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT2

--
Max Demian

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 8 May 2016 22:11:17 +0100, "Norman Wells" wrote:
"Max Demian" wrote in message
.. .

That consideration didn't stop music publishers from moaning about 'home taping'
on audio cassette, and trying to get a levy on blank tapes. They even
successfully sued Amstrad for saying their dual drive recorder would be useful
for duplicating recordings.

They sued them unsuccessfully actually.

It appears both sides claimed victory:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ByQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT2

It doesn't matter what they claim, they still lost.

Anything else is pure spin, like the losing party after an election.

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On Sun, 8 May 2016 15:23:25 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Oh for goodness sake Martin, I'd stop digging if I were you.

He's always right, even when he's wrong.

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On 09/05/2016 11:07, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 15:23:25 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Oh for goodness sake Martin, I'd stop digging if I were you.

He's always right, even when he's wrong.

Is he a woman?

Bill

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On Mon, 9 May 2016 12:47:03 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Oh for goodness sake Martin, I'd stop digging if I were you.

He's always right, even when he's wrong.

Is he a woman?

Must be, because men are always wrong even when they are right.

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On 08/05/2016 17:02, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 15:21:54 +0100, Mark Carver

I'll have access to a Sky box tomorrow, I'll try it

From what's been posted here, it works for others.


....and it worked for me.


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On 08/05/2016 22:17, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 08/05/2016 20:35, critcher wrote:



you could just as well ask why you can stream on demand on a freesat box
but you can't on a sky one.
different ways of doing the same thing - with sky they download the
program to the hard drive for playback, with freesat it streams.
both give you the opportunity to watch the show in x number of days.

don't think that's true, with sky I can watch at any time, until it self
destructs. With freesat I have to decide to watch and then do it.


if you record it yes.
but if you download it from the on demand section.....
obviously not anything you're actually paying for.

If I download from the on demand section it asks whether I want to
d/load hd or sd and records it to disk.

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On 09/05/2016 20:29, critcher wrote:

if you record it yes.
but if you download it from the on demand section.....
obviously not anything you're actually paying for.

If I download from the on demand section it asks whether I want to
d/load hd or sd and records it to disk.


and if you then go to the guide and look at the item, in the program
info at the top of the page it will say 'this program will be deleted at
10pm on the 4th june for example.
just tried it with an iplayer show.
--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

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Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2016 10:58:04 +0100, aa wrote:

Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.

Haven't seen you on here for quite some time!

Thanks Paul. I lurk whenever I can these days, just thought I'd chip in with
this tidbit of welcome and long overdue news. :-)

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In message , aa
writes
Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2016 10:58:04 +0100, aa wrote:

Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.

Haven't seen you on here for quite some time!

Thanks Paul. I lurk whenever I can these days, just thought I'd chip in with
this tidbit of welcome and long overdue news. :-)



Welcome news indeed.

Unfortunately, channel 5 programme commissioners "make you laugh out
loud".
--
Ian

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On 06/05/2016 11:07, Martin wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
On 06/05/2016 08:31, Martin wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
On 05/05/2016 19:12, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:

Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.

Why are all the ITV channels except ITV 1 not HD on freesat and freeview
? it's because they are under contract to sky as was 5 until their
contract ran out.

ITV choose to earn revenue by having all but ITV1 in HD behind a paywall
on satellite.

How do you pay to watch all ITV channels in HD on Freesat?

Err, you don't/can't

OK :-)
How dos one access what is behind the pay wall assuming you are willing to pay?

Presumably you'd have to have a Sky basic sub.