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On 04/01/16 22:11, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:20:31 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artículo ,
lid escribió:

Can you point me to a dumb TV with a top quality screens?

LG. I've just bought a 50" one. I wanted a 'dumb' one with just
inputs, nothing else, to connect to a media PC. Imagine my surprise
when I got it hone and it turned out to have 2xHDMI, 1xSCART, composite,
component, 2xUSB, PCMCIA, satellite decoder, Freeview HD decoder, and a
network connection. But it isn't smart :)

Whenever I've gone into a store and looked at the TVs on display, picked
the one with the best picture then checked the make, it's invariably
turned out to be an LG.

In our case it was always a Sony.


Though picture quality is a very subjective thing, of course.

*hmmm* It could be in the stores interest to purposely make the lower
markup models show a more rotten than usual picture....

(if not, and I've given someone an idea - I want 50%...)

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On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:05:25 +0000, Mark Carver
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On 04/01/2016 13:48, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:35:01 +0000, lid wrote:

I've just bought a new Sony TV.

Unpacked it, looked for an instruction book like the
comprehensive one
that came with the old Sony.There's no book, just a single sheet
of
paper covering several different TV models and 21 different
languages,
showing how to fit the table stand - nothing at all about wall
fixing,
nothing at all about connections and setting it up.

Sometimes there's a CD with a PDF manual, but sometimes nowadays
not
even that, as the version on the website is likely to be newer.

The manual for my Sony telly is embedded within the TV's menu

It's not context sensitive, though, like proper help systems.

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On 04/01/2016 18:08, lid wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 15:58:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:05:25 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

The manual for my Sony telly is embedded within the TV's menu

Yes, and what a pain in the arse that is. How are you supposed to
refer to the manual page and to the thing that the manual is telling
you about at the same time?


+1 !


Unfortunately it is not just Sony TVs that suffer from these problems.
My Samsung TV has a similarly useless manual in its menus.


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writes

Indeed, I've a folder called "manuals" on the computer - just like I
have in a filing cabinet


And a handy tip is send the pdf's to your dedicated Amazon kindle email
address (check your account), and they do all the conversions and then
appear in your Kindle library.
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escribió:

Having sold and installed a massive but unnecessary new aerial it is the
custom of the criminal aerial rigger fraternity to sneak the contrast up
a bit. This usually makes the customer think that have a better picture.

But it's the best out of all the tweaked pictures.

Also, whenever I see a tv, e.g. in the pub or at a mate's house, think
'the pic on that is good', it's been an LG.

Believe me or don't, I couldn't give a ****.

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En el artículo , Adrian Caspersz
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Also gawd knows what spying it is up to, so it's now it's on an isolated
subnet.

I haven't connected the LAN and don't plan to until I know what it's
there for and what personal data they're planning to slurp. As with the
OP, no manual came in the box...

But still, I'm looking for the next range sub-£100 of Intel Compute "PC
on a stick" to properly get 4K to it, having judged 4K capable PC
graphics cards a bit expensive - er, I can get a whole PC....

I'm using a whole PC (a small mini tower) at the mo as it was the only
thing I had to hand with HDMI out. Will have a mooch around for a small
media PC. One that will fit to the VESA holes on the back of the telly
would be nice. Thinking about the Chromecast but unsure if that will
play files from a SMB server (my NAS with thousands of 1080p movie files
stored on it)

IPS panels from LG are good. I can walk around the floor and the colour
doesn't shift.

Yes, this is IPS.

Can't really compare picture quality promise too much just on the brand
name.

I know, but as I said, subjectively, whenever I've seen a display and
thought "that's a good pic" its turned out to be an LG. I was in
monitor repair for many years and have a Dell 27" U2711 monitor on my
PC, the one with the same panel as the 27" iMac, so you'll perhaps
understand I'm more picky than most about picture quality.

Dig a bit deeper and you'll find a good panel in a no-brand name
supermarket special.

This one cost 300 quid in the sales. I only wanted a basic one with a
couple of inputs and no smarts, and according to the online spec that
was what I was getting, so was very surprised to find all the extra
toys. As it happens, there are antenna and satellite feeds where it
went so I connected them up. Freeview HD and satellite HD are
impressive.

I'm not into TV in a big way, hardly ever watch the idiot's lantern,
apart from the news. Just wanted a nice screen to watch movies stored
on my NAS.

The remote is a bit pants though. Small and fiddly.

Just started watching a whole lot of Eye Burning LG OLED stuff on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4lmXzKbHQ

Thanks. I have seen the thin, bendable OLED TVs. Impressive but
currently rather more than I would pay :)

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En el artículo , Martin
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In our case it was always a Sony.

I've got an aversion to Sony. Proprietary technology to lock you in,
appalling after-sales service, parts either unavailable or hideously
expensive (I used to work in monitor repair) and their putting a rootkit
on CDs decided it for me - no more Sony, ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_B...ootkit_scandal

They used to be quality, but are now trading on the back of their brand
name and the PS4.

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En el artículo , Adrian Caspersz
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Just started watching a whole lot of Eye Burning LG OLED stuff on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4lmXzKbHQ

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35230043

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Funnily enough back in the late 60s we as a rental outfit had a number of
people complaining of their tvs falling over and smashing. Every with an eye
on the bottom line, myself and one other were dispatched one foggy early
spring morning to where the tv stands were stored in Richmond in Surrey,
with highly technical stress testing equipment... well ok a padded hammer
and some mole grips.
We found that about ten percent of the ones we looked at had dodgy welds
where the nut that the screw fitted that held the bit with the casters on
was not really welded at all, probably due to the fact that the inside of
the square section tube was rusty.



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On 04/01/2016 15:51, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:43:48 +0000, Bill Wright
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Ohhh! There was a cracking sound and my chair has collapsed!

Too many mince pies?

No it was a weld. Now fixed.

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This is really not right. Most of the items I see have come from god knows
where but all have batteries, usually sealed in a bag.
My worry here is that this model is some kind of grey import or return that
has been put back in stock without being checked.
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:27:54 +0000, Norman Rowing
wrote:

On 04/01/2016 12:35, lid wrote:
I've just bought a new Sony TV.

Unpacked it, looked for an instruction book like the comprehensive one
that came with the old Sony.There's no book, just a single sheet of
paper covering several different TV models and 21 different languages,
showing how to fit the table stand - nothing at all about wall fixing,
nothing at all about connections and setting it up.

Fitted the wall bracket from the old TV, hung it on the wall, So far
so good.

Plug in TV and switch on. This is a "smart" TV, lots of setting up to
be done. I reach for the remote control. It needs batteries. There are
none in the packaging. Ah, the batteries will be in the controller,
with an insulation tab to be pulled out - won't they? Will they hell!

So I paid £700 for a TV, which can't be used without the controller,
and the controller won't work because there are no batteries.

I reckon there is a good case for rejecting the set as not fit for
purpose, since it can't actually be used.

Found some batteries, spent a couple of hours updating the Android
firmware, and adjusted the picture settings away from the stupid
showroom(?) settings. The picture is extremely good.

But why such penny-pinching on a top brand TV? It just damages their
reputation.


It's a safety feature. Batteries in parcels going an an aeroplane are a
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Martin wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:53:55 -0000, "Robin" wrote:

Martin wrote:

You should have kept it in case you need to return it under
guarantee.

We don't all live with vast storage. Any decent vendor won't expect
every buyer to keep the box. It's patently impracticable for people
who live in most flats in the UK; and even those of us who use our
lofts can't fit the box from a large TV. IME they'll either send
someone to collect as Paul Ratcliffe found or, for smaller items,
send a box and then a courier later.

Despite which both Dell and Cannon asked us to return a defective TV
and a printer respectively in the original box. Dell sent a courier
to collect the Sony TV in the box. Luckily Dell delivered a
replacement a week before a courier arrived to collect the broken TV.
In the case of the Canon printer we borrowed a box from somebody who
had just bought a printer.

I must admit that given the OP paid £700 I assumed we were talking about
a large-ish TV. And I referred to "decent vendor". Eg John Lewis (as
Paul Ratcliffe mentioned) send someone out for lareg TVs; and Richer
Sounds arrange collection for any large TV (40 inches or more).

As for Dell, I didn't know they handled warranty on Sony TVs. But with
monitors their practice (in the UK at least) was to send a replacement
and ask you to return the broken one in the same box.
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On 04/01/2016 13:43, Bill Wright wrote:


Ohhh! There was a cracking sound and my chair has collapsed! Hil just
came in and said, "What are you doing down there?"

The accurate answer to that is "Getting up".
Such an answer will not be well received, in my experience :-)

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On 04/01/2016 14:09, Robin wrote:

I recently encountered the nasty practice of the manufacturer's website
offering what appears to be the manual for *a* TV only to find that it
is the manual for for several different series of TVs - so the things
fill of comments such as "Depending on the model", "Depending on the
country and model", etc.

My LG TV came with a printed manual, covering a range of 46 models of TV
and 4 different types of mount. They obviously put the same manual in
the box for every set.

At least it is printed, so that once I have worked out which sections of
the manual refer to the set I own, I can mark those sections with a
highlight pen and ignore the rest.

Jim

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In article ,

[Snip]

As for Dell, I didn't know they handled warranty on Sony TVs. But with
monitors their practice (in the UK at least) was to send a replacement
and ask you to return the broken one in the same box.

not a TV, but SWMBO wanted to send a Meile vacuum cleaner back for repair.
A carrier delivered a complete (empty) packing kit and gave us two days to
pack it up, then collected it. I know this was all paid for by us, but it
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En el artículo , Martin
escribió:

We had superb after sales service from Sony in the Netherlands on our old bought
in 1987 Sony TV.

God, that was nearly 30 years ago. How the **** is that relevant today?

and you love Apple?

What makes you think I love Apple? Just because I have a couple of
their products and comment on new releases doesn't mean I love the
company. What a weird way of thinking you have.

Some sort of a contradiction in your way of thinking?

Only in your pointy little head.

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In article , Martin
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:17:41 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article ,

[Snip]

As for Dell, I didn't know they handled warranty on Sony TVs. But
with monitors their practice (in the UK at least) was to send a
replacement and ask you to return the broken one in the same box.

not a TV, but SWMBO wanted to send a Meile vacuum cleaner back for
repair. A carrier delivered a complete (empty) packing kit and gave us
two days to pack it up, then collected it. I know this was all paid for
by us, but it can be done.

Did she suck up water with it, like my wife did with ours?

not that I'm aware of. It sounded like a "bearings" problem

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On 05/01/2016 04:50, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

I've got an aversion to Sony. Proprietary technology to lock you in,
appalling after-sales service, parts either unavailable or hideously
expensive (I used to work in monitor repair) and their putting a rootkit
on CDs decided it for me - no more Sony, ever.

I have a Sony clock radio, bought in 2001, which sets itself according
to the broadcast time from Cumbria.

The provided aerial is unusual in that it is wired into the main unit,
but consists of a plastic pod with a hole that can hang it on a nail or
hook. The pod is quite heavy.

When it was over 10 years old (I can't remember exactly) I managed to
dislodge it from its pin in the wall and it fell with a thump on
something solid. The radio still worked so I thought no more about it
for a while, until I noticed that it had stopped receiving the wireless
time signal and the time was now over a minute out. I could correct it
with the manual buttons on the back, but again the time gradually drifted.

Back to the pod and when I shook it there was a tiny rattle inside;
something had come loose. So I opened it up. Inside was a ferrite rod
with several coils round it, all wired into a circuit board with quite a
few components on it. Plus a little black thing that was loose inside.
It had three tiny connections (two on one face and one on the opposing
face) which had sheared off flush with the body. I assumed it was a
transistor.

So I went over the circuit board with a magnifying glass and eventually
found a space between three similarly spaced contacts marked with a Q
number, so there should have been a transistor there.

I noted the Q number from the board and the board reference number and
went along to the specialist Sony shop in town, described the problem
and the man looked at his computer. He could identify the model of
clock radio, but it was obsolete. He could identify the part number of
the pod, but that was obsolete and not in stock. His computer then went
into the component set of the pod. He could identify the part number of
the circuit board, but that was obsolete and not in stock. So I gave
him the Q number and asked whether he could find a breakdown to
component level. He could, and it was in stock. He placed an order for
a delivery to my home, and charged me a fiver for the transistor.

Two days later a courier arrived at my house with a box to be signed
for. Inside amongst all the packaging was my transistor, which I
soldered in and everything worked. It still does.

The man in the shop must have spent a good 20 minutes getting to the
point of ordering the part. It must have cost Sony more than the fiver
they charged me to have a courier delivery. And my problem was solved.
I can't complain.

That said, it is the only Sony product in my house; I have generally
found the spec/price of alternative makes preferable.

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En el artículo , Martin
escribió:

That was ten years ago.

So? It's indicative of a contemptuous attitude to their customers.
They won't ever see a penny from me.

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On 05/01/2016 10:05, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Martin
escribió:

That was ten years ago.

So? It's indicative of a contemptuous attitude to their customers.
They won't ever see a penny from me.

I managed to get a replacement LCD panel for a Sony TV I'd bought on
staff sales just over 2 years earlier, by invoking the Sale Of Goods Act
on them.

My boss said it was one of the most original resignation letters he'd
ever read.


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On 05/01/16 04:45, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Adrian Caspersz
escribió:

Also gawd knows what spying it is up to, so it's now it's on an isolated
subnet.

I haven't connected the LAN and don't plan to until I know what it's
there for and what personal data they're planning to slurp.

They will tell you that. More than 20 pages of terms and conditions to read.

As with the
OP, no manual came in the box...

But still, I'm looking for the next range sub-£100 of Intel Compute "PC
on a stick" to properly get 4K to it, having judged 4K capable PC
graphics cards a bit expensive - er, I can get a whole PC....

I'm using a whole PC (a small mini tower) at the mo as it was the only
thing I had to hand with HDMI out. Will have a mooch around for a small
media PC. One that will fit to the VESA holes on the back of the telly
would be nice. Thinking about the Chromecast but unsure if that will
play files from a SMB server (my NAS with thousands of 1080p movie files
stored on it)

"Chromecast UK Edition - How it works...and what's the point?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKUkmJEBDQ

It will but looks convoluted. One example 'hack' for SMB.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/..._content_from/


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En el artículo , Adrian Caspersz
escribió:

They will tell you that. More than 20 pages of terms and conditions to read.

Joy unconfin'd.


"Chromecast UK Edition - How it works...and what's the point?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKUkmJEBDQ

It will but looks convoluted. One example 'hack' for SMB.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/...on_streaming_l
ocal_content_from/

Many thanks, will take a look now. Starting to wonder if a little media
PC would be easier. Install OS and Kodi, job done. I have a Raspberry
Pi sitting around doing nothing, that has HDMI out and can be powered
off one of the TV's USB ports.

http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Install...n_Raspberry_Pi

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 04:50:18 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

I've got an aversion to Sony. Proprietary technology to lock you in,
appalling after-sales service, parts either unavailable or hideously
expensive (I used to work in monitor repair) and their putting a rootkit
on CDs decided it for me - no more Sony, ever.

Their cameras are pretty good, and their phones have a reputation for
good battery life.

This tallies with my own experience, admittedly from some time ago,
but I once had to use professional battery powered broadcast
equipment, and this included keeping checks on the performance of the
batteries. The Sony batteries based on NiCd D-size cells were the only
ones that actually lived up to the stated capacity of 4Ah, which they
maintained for several years. None of the other brands managed more
than about 3.5Ah, and that only when brand new.

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In message , pamela
writes
On 12:35 4 Jan 2016, wrote:

I've just bought a new Sony TV.

Unpacked it, looked for an instruction book like the comprehensive one
that came with the old Sony.There's no book, just a single sheet of
paper covering several different TV models and 21 different languages,
showing how to fit the table stand - nothing at all about wall fixing,
nothing at all about connections and setting it up.

Fitted the wall bracket from the old TV, hung it on the wall, So far
so good.

Plug in TV and switch on. This is a "smart" TV, lots of setting up to
be done. I reach for the remote control. It needs batteries. There are
none in the packaging. Ah, the batteries will be in the controller,
with an insulation tab to be pulled out - won't they? Will they hell!

So I paid £700 for a TV, which can't be used without the controller,
and the controller won't work because there are no batteries.

I reckon there is a good case for rejecting the set as not fit for
purpose, since it can't actually be used.

Found some batteries, spent a couple of hours updating the Android
firmware, and adjusted the picture settings away from the stupid
showroom(?) settings. The picture is extremely good.

But why such penny-pinching on a top brand TV? It just damages their
reputation.


I wonder if the batteries should have been there but maybe they got
overlooked by whoever packed the box. Isn't there a list in the user
guide of what should been in the box?

The biggest cheek with tellys is the rubbishy instructions they come
with. If you're lucky (and you weren't) the user guide is often some
barely comprehensible leaflet with scrappy and inadequate descriptions
of how to use the telly's functions. You didn't even get that.


This page on the Sony website suggests that batteries are included.

http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/te...series/specifi
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:20:31 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo ,
lid escribió:

Can you point me to a dumb TV with a top quality screens?

LG. I've just bought a 50" one. I wanted a 'dumb' one with just
inputs, nothing else, to connect to a media PC. Imagine my surprise
when I got it hone and it turned out to have 2xHDMI, 1xSCART, composite,
component, 2xUSB, PCMCIA, satellite decoder, Freeview HD decoder, and a
network connection. But it isn't smart :)

Whenever I've gone into a store and looked at the TVs on display, picked
the one with the best picture then checked the make, it's invariably
turned out to be an LG.

Though picture quality is a very subjective thing, of course.

I guess it must be, seeing as you *chose* an LG. :-)

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 04:50:18 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Martin
escribió:

In our case it was always a Sony.

I've got an aversion to Sony. Proprietary technology to lock you in,
appalling after-sales service, parts either unavailable or hideously
expensive (I used to work in monitor repair) and their putting a rootkit
on CDs decided it for me - no more Sony, ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_B...ootkit_scandal

They used to be quality, but are now trading on the back of their brand
name and the PS4.

You pretty well mentioned every excellent reason for *avoiding* Sony
product except one, that being the fact that they seem totally incapable
of designing a usable user interface, not even if their life depended on
it.

For me, the latest example of "Sony Excellence" is the black and white 9
inch dual standard portable TV (Sony 9-90UB), still in working order 4
decades later. For many others, I'd guess the Walkman would probably be
in their own personal "Best of" list.

I guess the rot set in when Sony decided to 'join the digital
revolution' and try their hand at creating their own 'defacto standards'.
Talk about trying to run before learning to walk!

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En el artículo , Martin
escribió:

Sony won with Blu-ray

They won? You sure about that?

So why don't PCs come with Blu-ray players by default now?

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On 09/01/2016 17:19, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Martin
escribió:

Sony won with Blu-ray

They won? You sure about that?

So why don't PCs come with Blu-ray players by default now?

Irrelevant

Games consoles (inc the games) are probably a far more lucrative market
now. PCs are rapidly becoming 'niche'.

Mind you the delivery of games and other content/software on physical
media is also rapidly on the way out too.



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On 08/01/2016 18:00, Johnny B Good wrote:

You pretty well mentioned every excellent reason for *avoiding* Sony
product except one, that being the fact that they seem totally incapable
of designing a usable user interface,

So you say regularly in this group. You seem to be the only person that
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On 09/01/2016 19:04, Mark Carver wrote:
On 08/01/2016 18:00, Johnny B Good wrote:

You pretty well mentioned every excellent reason for *avoiding* Sony
product except one, that being the fact that they seem totally incapable
of designing a usable user interface,

So you say regularly in this group. You seem to be the only person that
does though ?


I find the user interface on Sony products entirely satisfactory.

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On 09/01/2016 22:36, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:04:37 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

On 08/01/2016 18:00, Johnny B Good wrote:

You pretty well mentioned every excellent reason for *avoiding* Sony
product except one, that being the fact that they seem totally incapable
of designing a usable user interface,

So you say regularly in this group. You seem to be the only person that
does though ?

The TV is OK, but why doesn't the Sony Blue-Ray player have an eject button?

Mine does. BDP-S1200


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On 11/01/2016 09:57, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:00:25 +0000, Mark Carver

The TV is OK, but why doesn't the Sony Blue-Ray player have an eject button?

Mine does. BDP-S1200

BD360

The open/close tray button sometimes works.

Have you an eject button on the remote control?

Yep

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On 11/01/16 09:57, Martin wrote:

The TV is OK, but why doesn't the Sony Blue-Ray player have an eject button?

Mine does. BDP-S1200
BD360
The open/close tray button sometimes works.

Same with my BDP-S360. Think on mine it's the mech not the button.

If I were in the US, I'd be encouraging a multi-million class action law
suit for the severe emotional and psychological trauma caused by the
door not opening, and .....


Have you an eject button on the remote control?


No. The standard remote does not have that button.


http://www.gadgetlite.com/wp-content...-player-41.jpg

So I use the remote from a BDP-S370 which has.


Get me a lawyer....

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On 11/01/2016 10:35, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:18:26 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:

Have you an eject button on the remote control?

Yep

They forgot it on our controller.

Oh well, **** happens

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Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

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Martin wrote:

So we are not alone.

Nor are Sony. At least one Panasonic model doesn't have a button on the
remote. Don't ask me which one. It ain't mine. I just had the owner
show me. And moan about it - for reasons I was too stupid to understand
;(

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:05:13 -0000, "Robin" wrote:


Nor are Sony. At least one Panasonic model doesn't have a button on the
remote. Don't ask me which one. It ain't mine. I just had the owner
show me. And moan about it - for reasons I was too stupid to understand

My Panasonic DMR-BWT735 doesn't have an eject button on the remote.

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:14:15 +0000, Peter Johnson
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:05:13 -0000, "Robin"
wrote:

Nor are Sony. At least one Panasonic model doesn't have a button
on the
remote. Don't ask me which one. It ain't mine. I just had the
owner
show me. And moan about it - for reasons I was too stupid to
understand

My Panasonic DMR-BWT735 doesn't have an eject button on the remote.

Neither does my DMR-EZ28. But my One For All remote will open and
close it - using the 16:9 button for some reason. Not clear why you
need to open it by remote as you will still have to get off your arse
to insert/remove the disc.

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:14:15 +0000, Peter Johnson
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:05:13 -0000, "Robin"
wrote:

Nor are Sony. At least one Panasonic model doesn't have a button
on the
remote. Don't ask me which one. It ain't mine. I just had the
owner
show me. And moan about it - for reasons I was too stupid to
understand
My Panasonic DMR-BWT735 doesn't have an eject button on the remote.

Neither does my DMR-EZ28. But my One For All remote will open and close
it - using the 16:9 button for some reason. Not clear why you need to open
it by remote as you will still have to get off your arse to insert/remove
the disc.

You should ask one of the servants to insert/remove/change the disc.
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:56:35 +0000, Max Demian
wrote:

Not clear why you
need to open it by remote as you will still have to get off your arse
to insert/remove the disc.

So that the tray is open by the time you reach it. Time saving.