Charging for iPlayer
 

On 06/07/2015 23:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:02:19 +0100, David Kennedy
wrote:

It was
announced this evening that the BBC are now looking into ways to charge for
the catch up services. That will also presumably apply to Channel 4 - ITV
already have theirs covered by the advertising - so I expect we'll ALL end up
paying more.

Paying more or watching less. If they demand more money for what I've
already got, I'll have to consider how badly I want it, and whether
it's worth paying for. I hope that at least we have that amount of
choice, i.e. not pay for programmes we don't want and watch something
else instead, which at the moment is not an option.

Rod.

It's all smoke and mirrors - as it was when water meters were introduced,
everyone ends up paying more.

--
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Charging for iPlayer
 

On 07/07/2015 07:50, Andy Burns wrote:
David Kennedy wrote:

Something like an annual licence fee perhaps?

Yes, I just want the current scheme to cover all equipment.

It'll never work!

All the whingers and moaners are too busy being clever to think it through.
Remember the Building Society shares fiascos? A few people benefited - for a
short time - then everyone lost out.

Perhaps those not happy with the present arrangements could move to Greece?

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

Charging for iPlayer
 

On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:50:25 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:


Something like an annual licence fee perhaps?

Yes, I just want the current scheme to cover all equipment.

Really? You want to be obliged to pay the BBC just to be allowed to
look at anything with a screen?

Rod.

Charging for iPlayer
 

On 07/07/2015 09:18, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:50:25 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:


Something like an annual licence fee perhaps?

Yes, I just want the current scheme to cover all equipment.

Really? You want to be obliged to pay the BBC just to be allowed to
look at anything with a screen?

Rod.

A clever response but a little naive perhaps? Unless you are suggesting sat
nav, mobile phones, gps, monitors and all the other screens are going to be
charged for? I really would object to paying to view the led screen on my
multi meter or the one on my washing machine.

Get a grip. Have you seen what Sky charge - and get away with? Or are you
suggesting that those with a Sky subscription watch everything Sky broadcast
whereas those with a TV licence only watch part of their output?

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

Charging for iPlayer
 

In article , Paul Ratcliffe
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:18:10 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

The simplest approach is to treat it like roads, pavements, etc.
Assume everyone directly or indirectly makes use of them, so charge
each household the same amount regardless.

What's it got to do with households? People use services, not houses.
Charge the people. Same for the roads and other services.

household is not a synonym for house.

Jim

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Charging for iPlayer
 

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:54:32 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

By chance I watched BBC Parliament whilst I had a cup of tea a while ago,
and they were carring live a session where the relevant minister was
dealing with the BBC.

If I followed correctly: One comment he made was to the effect that he
agreed that the arrangements needing changing so that 'listen again' *also*
needed a license. I didn't note his wording in detail, so there may be some
'gotcha' involved for the BBC, or I misunderstood. But it did seem as if
the government will deal with this specific issue.

The comment was just after 4pm I think. So use of 'listen again' may find
what he said and we can check the wording. :-)

We'd better listen again while we still can without a licence,
otherwise we may not know if it will be possible to continue to do it
without a licence...

Rod.

Charging for iPlayer
 

In article , Scott
wrote:
t is not clear from any of the replies whether holders of UK Television
licences would be required to pay. It seems unreasonable to have to pay
for the same thing twice and there seems to be no appetite to change BBC
television to a subscription model.

My current understanding is that the annoucement is to the effect that the
requirement to have a TV license will be extended to cover the 'on demand'
access to BBC iplayer. i.e. become covered by the license in the same way
as 'live' tv is now. This simply closes the loophole.

However I've used get_iplayer to fetch the relevant section from BBC
Parliament so I can check the minister's wording carefully for any gotchas.
If anyone is interested, they can also look at this using 'on demand'. It's
about 1 hour into the 'Home Office Questions' for yesterday.

Jim

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On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:26:15 +0100, David Kennedy
wrote:


Something like an annual licence fee perhaps?

Yes, I just want the current scheme to cover all equipment.

Really? You want to be obliged to pay the BBC just to be allowed to
look at anything with a screen?

Rod.

A clever response but a little naive perhaps? Unless you are suggesting sat
nav, mobile phones, gps, monitors and all the other screens are going to be
charged for? I really would object to paying to view the led screen on my
multi meter or the one on my washing machine.

I think it was you that suggested "all equipment". (See above). If
anything like this ever does make its way into law, it'll need to be a
bit more specific than that.

Rod.

Charging for iPlayer
 

In article , Roderick Stewart
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:26:15 +0100, David Kennedy
wrote:


Something like an annual licence fee perhaps?

Yes, I just want the current scheme to cover all equipment.

Really? You want to be obliged to pay the BBC just to be allowed to
look at anything with a screen?

Rod.

A clever response but a little naive perhaps? Unless you are suggesting
sat nav, mobile phones, gps, monitors and all the other screens are
going to be charged for? I really would object to paying to view the
led screen on my multi meter or the one on my washing machine.

I think it was you that suggested "all equipment". (See above). If
anything like this ever does make its way into law, it'll need to be a
bit more specific than that.

it;'s very similar to the idea that all purchasers of blank tapes/CDs
should pay a copyright levy since they are going to be used to pirate
copies of existing recordings/

Charging for iPlayer
 

Roderick Stewart wrote:

I think it was you

No it was me.

that suggested "all equipment". (See above). If
anything like this ever does make its way into law, it'll need to be a
bit more specific than that.

A wanted to give a one-liner, not something with the legalese of a green
paper!

The current law doesn't cover all television apparatus, does it? Only
apparatus *installed* to receive TV ... so I wouldn't expect a revised
law to include all computers, tablets, phones, washing machines etc, any
more than the current law includes a TV connected only to a CCTV camera.

They currently pop-up a warning in iPlayer to say you need a licence for
live programmes, but not for catch-up, so why not just get it extended
to catch-up?

As for catching people out, presumably they already log IP addresses
(not infallible) and plant cookies to track devices and what they've
watched, so we won't need PC detector vans ...